[Signing] Canucks sign JT Miller to extension (7 years, $8 mil AAV)

[djsFlames]

So which coach's sample size last year is more likely to be replicated (or a least close to it) over a new season?

Boudreau or Woodcroft.

Any wise betting man puts his money on Boudreau, who has a long track record of keeping his teams competitive.

Woodcroft was some poop the Oilers threw at the wall that happened to stick. That said, whoever is behind the bench they still have the ability to outscore their problems at least every other night in this division.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Rome wasn’t built in a day - they have to be a professional hockey organization just like everyone else.

Letting Miller walk would be counter productive.

I don’t disagree. That was the right move to sign him. The price was right.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Petterssen is turning out to only be a pretty good, but not high end core player. Many people have echoed this sentiment.

Boeser has leveled off. Not a highly competitive player. I could see a Monahan-like trajectory for him.

Horvat is decent but again I don't sense further growth for him at this point.

Garland didn't quite meet the hype coming out of the desert last season. Didn't do much for their forward group.

Hoglander is skilled but undersized.

I don't know about the European guy they dropped into their roster but its usually worse than a coin flip that those guys stick here.

Hughes should just be a forward, he doesn't play defense. Was exposed as a train wreck since Tanev left him.

The defence group as a whole is mediocre.

Demko is a superb goalie.

Boudreau is a pretty good regular season coach.

In the PAC the Canucks are probably in the bubble, pushing for WC or 3rd if Demko can bail out their poor defense nightly. If he goes down they're ####ed, of course.

It’s beside the point if they’re “contenders” or not. They’re good enough right to be a bubble playoff team, and most of their top players are in their early 20s.

These franchises are sustained by connections they make with children when they’re 4 years old. They Play ball hockey in their driveways and they pretend to be JT Miller, Johnny Gaudreau, Jonathan Huberdeau etc - and when they win a round or two, that excitement stays for life.

You don’t win fans for life by punting on a core with one player over the age of 25.

You augment that core.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Miller's track record isn't that impressive prior to the 99 point season. Kadri was more proven imo. I think this is an overpay.

But maybe that's the premium for getting him to put down roots in VAN.

Since joining VAN at age 26 and becoming a 20min guy Miller has 217 pts in 202gp. He's a bit of a later bloomer, but he was generally down the depth chart in his age 22-25 years behind a bunch of guys more in their prime on both NYR/TBL.

Kadri's teams were generally worse as he came to age, but there wasn't as much holding him down (Bozak...Grabovski). Of course, as Kadri turned 26 along came Matthews (, but I don't know if depth chart/deployment was really a valid excuse until Tavares came along as Kadri turned 28.


I'd say there's a much higher chance that Miller sustains his offensive production for years to come, but of course Kadri is a better 2-way player.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Juggernaught

As of today they have Podkolzin, Horvat, Boeser, Miller, Petterson, Hoglander, Pearson, Garland, Kuzmenko and Mikheyev pegged for top nine not to mention anyone who might push for a job from camp. I don't see Jason Dickenson in that mix? I think that's a fairly solid top nine but wouldn't peg them into a Pacific Division ranking without some supporting argument. Keep in mind we're talking top nine. Not top six or top three.

That is one guy who should be 80+ in points, one guy who should be around 70, 3 guys around 50 points and 4 guys who will get between 30-40 points.

I would rather have the Flames (one 90 point guy, 2 70+ guys, 3 guys who will get around 50 points and 3 guys who get 30+) or the Oilers with two guys who will get 100+ points, two guys in the 60 point range and the rest. The Canucks forward depth is nothing special. And in order to get a top 4 dman they would be trading one of their top 4 forwards.

[ReinhartonD]

Vancouver's eternal dilemma is that like most teams, they want to commit to players who really care about winning, but anyone who cares about winning wouldn't sign with the Canucks.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Canucks are a weird one.
I could see them catching fire and competing for the division or equally see them faltering like last season.

They're a bit like the Flames before last season where it was hard to predict what you'd get.

I think Petterson has to show up all season for them or he could be moved by the trade deadline.
The other thing about this Miller signing is he's quite tradable on this if they suck again and they go more rebuild.

I agree with all if thus, but I don't think there is any chance at all that the Canucks choose to move Petterson. He is one of the three players they are building their team around.

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[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

That is one guy who should be 80+ in points, one guy who should be around 70, 3 guys around 50 points and 4 guys who will get between 30-40 points.

I would rather have the Flames (one 90 point guy, 2 70+ guys, 3 guys who will get around 50 points and 3 guys who get 30+) or the Oilers with two guys who will get 100+ points, two guys in the 60 point range and the rest. The Canucks forward depth is nothing special. And in order to get a top 4 dman they would be trading one of their top 4 forwards.

Who are the 70+ point players on the Flames? I think that the offensive players for each team are relatively similar with the Flames having a very large advantage on the backend with goaltenders being equal.

The Canucks problem isn't their top 6 it is their bottom six not being young enough or have any growth potential as well as their defense being made up of overpriced veterans who are NHL quality players but not at their price tag. This is due to their complete inability to draft any defenseman with the noted exception of Quinn Hughes.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Rome wasn’t built in a day - they have to be a professional hockey organization just like everyone else.

Letting Miller walk would be counter productive.

Keeping him could be counter productive too.
They likely should have traded him at the deadline to playoff team for some defence in return.

If they're building Rome, they have lots of bricks but no mortar.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Keeping him could be counter productive too.
They likely should have traded him at the deadline to playoff team for some defence in return.

If they're building Rome, they have lots of bricks but no mortar.

You can find defence a lot easier than you can find centres.

Vancouver has 99 point centre under contract for 7 years, which is certainly more valuable that a 24-32nd year overall pick plus cap dumps and the third best prospect in another organization.

This is the NHL - you have to try. You can’t just tank until you end up with McDavid and Draisaitl.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Boeser has leveled off. Not a highly competitive player. I could see a Monahan-like trajectory for him.

I don't even understand what a Monahan trajectory is. Monahan was a star winger that had chronic injuries that turned him into a player that you had to pay a 1st just to get rid of the contract.

Not sure what that trajectory would have to do with any other player in the league besides one that also lost his career to injury?

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

You can find defence a lot easier than you can find centres.

Vancouver has 99 point centre under contract for 7 years, which is certainly more valuable that a 24-32nd year overall pick plus cap dumps and the third best prospect in another organization.

This is the NHL - you have to try. You can’t just tank until you end up with McDavid and Draisaitl.

Well actually McDavid, without McD, Draisaitl isn't that special.

[Juggernaught]

Draisaitl was even better in 2019-20, leading the NHL with 110 points (43 goals, 67 assists) in 71 games. He was voted winner of the Hart Trophy as NHL MVP and the Ted Lindsay Award, given to the League's most outstanding player as voted by members of the NHL Players' Association.

During the Oilers' 9-1 start to the 2021-22 season, Draisaitl and McDavid became the first pair of Edmonton teammates to individually reach 20 points within the first 10 games of the season since Wayne Gretzky and Jari Kurri in 1984-85. Draisaitl led the NHL in goal-scoring for much of the season before finishing with 55 goals, second behind Auston Matthews of the Toronto Maple Leafs (60), and 110 points that ranked fourth.

Draisaitl set a Stanley Cup Playoff record with five consecutive games of at least three points to help the Oilers to a five-game win against the Calgary Flames in the 2022 Western Conference Second Round while breaking a Battle of Alberta record for most points in a series with 17. His 32 points in 16 games were one behind McDavid for most in the postseason, a run that ended when the Oilers were swept by the Colorado Avalanche in the Western Conference Final.

That is from the players Bio...I am definitely not a Oilers fanboy but I'd say he's kinda special.

[FlamesAddiction]

There was a guy on Reddit a couple of weeks ago who claimed to know Miller and said that Miller had already agreed to an extension and they just had to iron out the details. It sounded like he knew what he was talking about, so not too surprising to see this contract come to fruition. He said that there were issues that made Miller disgruntled earlier in the season, but they were dealt with and he wanted to stay in Vancouver.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Juggernaught

That is from the players Bio...I am definitely not a Oilers fanboy but I'd say he's kinda special.

Honest question, how many of those goals and points are away from McDavid? And I'm definitely not a Flames fanboy.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Who are the 70+ point players on the Flames? I think that the offensive players for each team are relatively similar with the Flames having a very large advantage on the backend with goaltenders being equal.

The Canucks problem isn't their top 6 it is their bottom six not being young enough or have any growth potential as well as their defense being made up of overpriced veterans who are NHL quality players but not at their price tag. This is due to their complete inability to draft any defenseman with the noted exception of Quinn Hughes.

Lindholm and Kadri probably manage 70 (if Kadri will be on the first powerplay). Maybe Mangiapane if he’s elevated to line 1.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Petterssen is turning out to only be a pretty good, but not high end core player. Many people have echoed this sentiment.

Boeser has leveled off. Not a highly competitive player. I could see a Monahan-like trajectory for him.

Horvat is decent but again I don't sense further growth for him at this point.

Garland didn't quite meet the hype coming out of the desert last season. Didn't do much for their forward group.

Hoglander is skilled but undersized.

I don't know about the European guy they dropped into their roster but its usually worse than a coin flip that those guys stick here.

Hughes should just be a forward, he doesn't play defense. Was exposed as a train wreck since Tanev left him.

The defence group as a whole is mediocre.

Demko is a superb goalie.

Boudreau is a pretty good regular season coach.

In the PAC the Canucks are probably in the bubble, pushing for WC or 3rd if Demko can bail out their poor defense nightly. If he goes down they're ####ed, of course.

Petterson once his wrist healed, he put up 26 goals and 53 points in the final 41 games of the season. Playing without miller, boeser, or horvat at 5 on 5 for the majority of it. Who are these many people who have said hes only pretty good?

Saying boeser isn't competitive, I'm sorry just shows you rarely watch him play

Garland didnt get any power play time last year, which is what kept his counting stats low. He had 49 even strength points, his rate per 60 min was top 20 in the league or around that

Hughes had a massive bounce back season defensively last season

All of this besides the defense being bad reads as someone who didnt watch the team

[djsFlames]

Holy moly, how many closet Canuck fans do we have on this board ready to defend their honor to the death?

None of the Canucks core pieces (outside of in net) are elite. If Miller can sustain his recent output he could be knocking on the door.

Pettersson still has a lot to prove to be in the conversation. I don't think you can argue that. Cherry picking portions of the season isn't convincing people.

Deal with it.

[midniteowl]

d_phaneuf isn't closeted, he is out in open, me think.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Holy moly, how many closet Canuck fans do we have on this board ready to defend their honor to the death?

None of the Canucks core pieces (outside of in net) are elite. If Miller can sustain his recent output he could be knocking on the door.

Pettersson still has a lot to prove to be in the conversation. I don't think you can argue that. Cherry picking portions of the season isn't convincing people.

Deal with it.

Every young player has a lot to prove - in his 4 years in the league, Petersson is a 0.9 PPG player. He’s scored 27, 27, 10 and 32 goals. You can work with that.

The Canucks need to add to that group, not subtract for more middling picks.

Their two closest rivals both made it to the second round - one has two top-5 players in the world, the other had an off-season for the ages.

They don’t want to be left behind, they want to be in the fight.

This isn’t a video game. You have sponsors and suite holders, season tickets holders and casual fans to appease, and if you’re going to trade your leading scorer, the Flames made it unacceptable to trade him for anything less than a star in return.

If no one was offering that, you pay what it costs to keep your 99 point #1C in town and see what happens.