Noah Hanifin

[midniteowl]

I really don't understand how people keep misspelling players name especially the tread title is "Noah H A N I F I N". I mean you have to click the thread title to get in.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Hanifin had a tough series. No question. However, there are other factors here that influenced that a great deal:

1) Kylington-Tanev, the other shut down pair, was completely absent, effectively doubling the responsibilities for Hanifin-Andersson

2) the forwards played terribly defensively, allowing McDavid to gain possession and full speed from the neutral zone, effectively leaving the defensemen hung out to dry. And that happened a LOT - far too often - and because Hanifin-Andersson were out there for most of the tough assignments, they wore the brunt of that.

3) Markstrom had a tough series, and when the D were beaten, the puck wound up in the net more often than not. Defensemen get beat regularly, that's part of hockey - that's why you need good goaltending.

Just saying 'Hanifin had a bad series, he can't handle McDavid' is over simplistic at best, if not wildly naive.

Yeah the forwards went into that Colorado series mode where they were afraid to get burned so gave up on the forecheck and stood around in the neutral zone waiting for the Oilers to come with speed.

Completely abandoned their game.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jore

If this were true, wouldn't this also mean that Kylington-Tanev, when they did draw in, would also be underwater and bleeding chances and goals? Presumably Markstrom and the forwards would be equally bad for all defenders.

Instead, Kylington-Tanev, both clearly injured, got 34:40 minutes of 5 on 5 ice time against the Oilers' top competition and gave up 0 goals while scoring 3. Hanifin-Andersson got 69:40 and gave up 9 while scoring 2.

I'm not a math genius, but those rates seem pretty stark.

In the 5 game series (5 on 5)

CF%
Andersson 58.6%
Hanifin 58.3%
Kylington 54.4%
Tanev 54.1%

xGF%
Andersson 52.1%
Hanifin 51.9%
Tanev 51.0%
Kylington 46.7%

Sometimes pucks go in, sometimes they don't.

[ComixZone]

Random thought/observation from this off-season:

I feel like for no reason whatsoever people don’t seem to give Kylington the respect he deserves for last season. Kylington + Tanev was an absolutely outstanding pairing last season, but people seem to want to diminish Kylington’s contributions and I don’t get it.

I think Big Z + Weegar should be the new pairing this year, with the other two pairings being kept the same. That way we roll 3 dominant pairings and I believe have the best D1-D3 depth in the league.

I thought Hanifin had a pretty bad playoffs, but that was also he and his partners first time in the roles they had at that time of season. That experience is going to help them, and to the points above - when your forwards play scared, it puts way too much pressure on the defenders.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Random thought/observation from this off-season:

I feel like for no reason whatsoever people don’t seem to give Kylington the respect he deserves for last season. Kylington + Tanev was an absolutely outstanding pairing last season, but people seem to want to diminish Kylington’s contributions and I don’t get it.

I think Big Z + Weegar should be the new pairing this year, with the other two pairings being kept the same. That way we roll 3 dominant pairings and I believe have the best D1-D3 depth in the league.

I thought Hanifin had a pretty bad playoffs, but that was also he and his partners first time in the roles they had at that time of season. That experience is going to help them, and to the points above - when your forwards play scared, it puts way too much pressure on the defenders.

I hope it's an absolute battle for top four, I do.

But Kylington slid in the second half and was half the player without Tanev when Tanev was out.

Add in what Tanev did to Giordano and Hanifin, and I think it's natural to have some reservations about Kylington carrying a pairing.

I think he's firmly in third spot on the left side, and maybe 4th and crossing over to the other side.

But he's young, happy to be proven wrong!

[tony-soprano]

Hanifin for Ekblad - e4

https://www.tsn.ca/salim-valji-aaron...ring-1.1845990

[Oil Stain]

Weird that Hanifin draws all the criticism when Andersson looked equally bad if not worse in the series against the Oilers.

Is it because Hanifin has less years on his contract? Doesn't play as physical? Perceived as a guy that will leave anyway because America?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Weird that Hanifin draws all the criticism when Andersson looked equally bad if not worse in the series against the Oilers.

Is it because Hanifin has less years on his contract? Doesn't play as physical? Perceived as a guy that will leave anyway because America?

For me it's contract. Andersson is locked in for 4 more years at a cap hit that he easily justifies. Hanifin has 2 years left and he also is worth what he makes but I project he's getting at least $8.5 mil in 2 years. IMO even with a big cap increase in 2 years he won't be worth that type of money. If the cap goes up more than expected his contract likely will as well.

Andersson will likely be very under paid over the next 4 years.

Both players are equals IMO and I don't think we should run Hanifin out of town if the trade return isn't great

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Weird that Hanifin draws all the criticism when Andersson looked equally bad if not worse in the series against the Oilers.

Is it because Hanifin has less years on his contract? Doesn't play as physical? Perceived as a guy that will leave anyway because America?

For me, it's because Anderson made a few normal mistakes but Hanifin made some seriously terrible reads pinching at the blue line. Multiple times he committed to the pinch when he wasn't in position to win the puck battle at all. Then he would desperately swipe at the puck, miss, then backcheck just fast enough to fish the puck out of the net.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

For me, it's because Anderson made a few normal mistakes but Hanifin made some seriously terrible reads pinching at the blue line. Multiple times he committed to the pinch when he wasn't in position to win the puck battle at all. Then he would desperately swipe at the puck, miss, then backcheck just fast enough to fish the puck out of the net.

Plus Anderson has 14 points in 27 career playoff games. 6 goals. Hanifin has 0 goals 8 assists in 27 games. I can live with a few mistakes if you chip in on the other end

[dino7c]

Fans tend to favor Flames draft picks a bit too...some go as far as to say Kylington is better which is ridiculous.

People also don't realize how young Hanifin is

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Fans tend to favor Flames draft picks a bit too...some go as far as to say Kylington is better which is ridiculous.

People also don't realize how young Hanifin is

Hanifin is better than Kylington and they are both the same age. But experience matters too. Kylington has more room for growth after his first full year.

Hanifin has 517 games already. He still growing but he still really hasn’t become elite at either end of the ice. How many more games before people give up he is not Norris caliber?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Hanifin is better than Kylington and they are both the same age. But experience matters too. Kylington has more room for growth after his first full year.

Hanifin has 517 games already. He still growing but he still really hasn’t become elite at either end of the ice. How many more games before people give up he is not Norris caliber?

I always find this point bizarre. Yes, Hanifin has been playing in the NHL for the last 7 seasons. But what do you think Kylington has been doing? He has been playing for the last 7 seasons too. Unfortunately for him, he wasn't good enough to play in the NHL, so he spent most of that time playing in a developmental league. But he was still playing.

They have both been playing pro hockey for 7 years, so why des playing them in the NHL equate to not having as much room for growth?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Hanifin is better than Kylington and they are both the same age. But experience matters too. Kylington has more room for growth after his first full year.

Hanifin has 517 games already. He still growing but he still really hasn’t become elite at either end of the ice. How many more games before people give up he is not Norris caliber?

Who exactly are you arguing with that thinks Hanifin is “Norris calibre”.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I always find this point bizarre. Yes, Hanifin has been playing in the NHL for the last 7 seasons. But what do you think Kylington has been doing? He has been playing for the last 7 seasons too. Unfortunately for him, he wasn't good enough to play in the NHL, so he spent most of that time playing in a developmental league. But he was still playing.

They have both been playing pro hockey for 7 years, so why des playing them in the NHL equate to not having as much room for growth?

So you are saying experience in other leagues is the same as the NHL? interesting. Didn't Kylington also sit in the press box a fair amount? I don't see a whole lot of AHL games in the last few seasons on top of not very many NHL games either.

NHL experience means nothing I guess.

Hanifin is a very good player but he is replaceable as well. Flames signed a vet Dman in Tanev and a lot of people hated that move and IMO he's better than Hanifin.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Who exactly are you arguing with that thinks Hanifin is “Norris calibre”.

It was the very first post of this thread?

Some suggest now is the time to trade Hanifin and people get all worked up like we just want to give him away. He's good but not great at anything.

If he was a top PP dman still trying to find his game in his own zone fine or he matched up against other teams best lines fine I would keep him. He really isn't great at either just solid at both ends.

If we lock up Weegar, IMO Hanifin should go in a trade for a top end winger

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by tony-soprano

Hanifin for Ekblad - e4

https://www.tsn.ca/salim-valji-aaron...ring-1.1845990

Damn, we're gonna have Ekblad and Makar in a few years.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Hanifin is better than Kylington and they are both the same age. But experience matters too. Kylington has more room for growth after his first full year.

Hanifin has 517 games already. He still growing but he still really hasn’t become elite at either end of the ice. How many more games before people give up he is not Norris caliber?

I don't think he ever wins a Norris, but I guess "elite" is more of a subjective term.

Hanifin over the past two seasons vs all regular defensemen is

13th in CF%
10th in xGF%
18th in xGF60
24th in xGA60

With 32 teams and 7 defensemen per team, not sure how much more he's supposed to accomplish to get the term elite.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

So you are saying experience in other leagues is the same as the NHL? interesting. Didn't Kylington also sit in the press box a fair amount? I don't see a whole lot of AHL games in the last few seasons on top of not very many NHL games either.

NHL experience means nothing I guess.

Hanifin is a very good player but he is replaceable as well. Flames signed a vet Dman in Tanev and a lot of people hated that move and IMO he's better than Hanifin.

Did I say that? I mean, you quoted my post, so it was right there for you to read. When you have to change what the other person said, in order to refute it, that's usually not the strongest argument.

I was responding to the argument that Hanifin 'is what he is'. He is the same age as Kylington, and has been better than Kylington everyone of the 7 years they have both been pros. So, IMO, arguing that Kylington still has upside, but Hanifin is what he is, is nothing more than a veiled shot at Hanifin, and is a completely empty argument.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

It was the very first post of this thread?

Some suggest now is the time to trade Hanifin and people get all worked up like we just want to give him away. He's good but not great at anything.

If he was a top PP dman still trying to find his game in his own zone fine or he matched up against other teams best lines fine I would keep him. He really isn't great at either just solid at both ends.

If we lock up Weegar, IMO Hanifin should go in a trade for a top end winger

A. That OP was by a troll. No one is seriously talking Norris.

B. IMO the current D depth is far more valuable than a RW.