[Signing] CBJ sign Laine to multi year deal (4 yrs, $8.7 mil AAV)

[Aarongavey]

I am quite confident that Lindholm will remain a 25 goal 60 point guy minimum. The guy has too good of a shot and his all around hockey sense was second to maybe Tkachuk on the entire team last year. In an offseason with not much to look forward to, I hope they eventually sign Mangiapane longterm because I think him and Lindholm could be 2/3 of a pretty solid 200 foot line.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

All three players are line drivers and that's why they all had career years. Next years' production will depend on their new linemates. To suggest otherwise in any shape or form is just weak soup.

It's going to be fun to watch this play out. Gaudreau and Tkachuk will continue to produce regardless of the players they end up with. Yes, they will see moderate increases or decreases depending on linemates, but not to the level of Lindholm. Again, he's a quality player, but he isn't reaching 82 points or a +/- of +61 without Gaudreau or Tkachuk, or comparable talent. A Selkie nomination is not in the cards, and a substantial drop in production and defensive stats is certain to follow, especially of the Flames recoup an offensive center in the return for trade for Tkachuk. Too many Flames fans living in fantasy land right now. Any team that loses its #1 and #2 scored is certain to be crippled, regardless of what comes back.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

It's going to be fun to watch this play out. Gaudreau and Tkachuk will continue to produce regardless of the players they end up with. Yes, they will see moderate increases or decreases depending on linemates, but not to the level of Lindholm. Again, he's a quality player, but he isn't reaching 82 points or a +/- of +61 without Gaudreau or Tkachuk, or comparable talent. A Selkie nomination is not in the cards, and a substantial drop in production and defensive stats is certain to follow, especially of the Flames recoup an offensive center in the return for trade for Tkachuk. Too many Flames fans living in fantasy land right now. Any team that loses its #1 and #2 scored is certain to be crippled, regardless of what comes back.

Your version of fun is imagining watching two players that leave the Flames continue to produce while our team remains crippled and our #1 center's production craters?

Explains a lot.

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

It's going to be fun to watch this play out. Gaudreau and Tkachuk will continue to produce regardless of the players they end up with. Yes, they will see moderate increases or decreases depending on linemates, but not to the level of Lindholm. Again, he's a quality player, but he isn't reaching 82 points or a +/- of +61 without Gaudreau or Tkachuk, or comparable talent. A Selkie nomination is not in the cards, and a substantial drop in production and defensive stats is certain to follow, especially of the Flames recoup an offensive center in the return for trade for Tkachuk. Too many Flames fans living in fantasy land right now. Any team that loses its #1 and #2 scored is certain to be crippled, regardless of what comes back.

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

Good players play better with good players. Without good players, they don't play as good. LOL. This is what you're angrily arguing. The most obvious point out there.

[Mathgod]

It kind of seemed like Johnny struggled in 2021 for the first 2/3 of the year, then he had a strong finish when he was paired with Lindy.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

It's going to be fun to watch this play out. Gaudreau and Tkachuk will continue to produce regardless of the players they end up with. Yes, they will see moderate increases or decreases depending on linemates, but not to the level of Lindholm. Again, he's a quality player, but he isn't reaching 82 points or a +/- of +61 without Gaudreau or Tkachuk, or comparable talent. A Selkie nomination is not in the cards, and a substantial drop in production and defensive stats is certain to follow, especially of the Flames recoup an offensive center in the return for trade for Tkachuk. Too many Flames fans living in fantasy land right now. Any team that loses its #1 and #2 scored is certain to be crippled, regardless of what comes back.

What fantasy have you concocted that you think fans are living in?

Nobody is disagreeing with your notion that his stats are going to slide losing the two best offensive players on the team. Nobody.

What everyone takes exception with was your discounting Lindholm as easily replaceable, or complimentary.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I never understood why people thought 49 points in 56 games was bad production for Gaudreau.

That pro-rates to 72 points in 82 games. Not his very best, but hardly what I would call a "down year." From 2000 to 2012, Iginla scored fewer than 75 points six times.

It's how he got there:

27pts in first 40gp
22pts in last 16gp (10pts in the last 5gp that were total garbage time)

3 pts in the 1W-8L stretch from games 32-40

Obviously you can argue Sutter effect and putting the line together, but it was essentially a 63pt pace in the ~48 games that really mattered

[Calgary4LIfe]

Lindholm is almost a perfect player. Physical too, even though he isn't huge.



Yes, Lindholm is probably going to see a reduction in his point production, so what? Synergy is a thing, and to be skilled enough to be able to be part of level of synergy is, quite frankly, what separates really good players from great players.


Lindholm is a great player.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

We're about to find out the importance of the defensive side of the puck versus the offensive side of the puck. Lindholm will NOT repeat his performance from last season with Gaudreau and Tkachuk. The other two will continue to be top offensive threats without Lindholm. The fancy stats currently say one thing, but when the loss of Gaudreau and Tkachuk are finally measured, Lindholm is going to be left wanting. I can' believe you would think otherwise? A line loses its top two producers, what is the impact going to be? Significant, and is not in the favor of the player left behind.

This is an easy bet to make and you will be technically "right", but for all the wrong reasons. Congratulations.

Lindholm will almost certainly have worse line-mates than both Gaudreau and Tkachuk next season.

[Roof-Daddy]

I was looking for a place to read about how ####ty one of the "CP neggies" thinks Lindholm is but didn't think to look in the Laine thread lol

[iamca]

What’s the cap situation in Columbus? I thought they were tight on cap space…


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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

It's going to be fun to watch this play out. Gaudreau and Tkachuk will continue to produce regardless of the players they end up with. Yes, they will see moderate increases or decreases depending on linemates, but not to the level of Lindholm. Again, he's a quality player, but he isn't reaching 82 points or a +/- of +61 without Gaudreau or Tkachuk, or comparable talent. A Selkie nomination is not in the cards, and a substantial drop in production and defensive stats is certain to follow, especially of the Flames recoup an offensive center in the return for trade for Tkachuk. Too many Flames fans living in fantasy land right now. Any team that loses its #1 and #2 scored is certain to be crippled, regardless of what comes back.

Here’s a guy who values being right over the team having success.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

It's how he got there:

27pts in first 40gp
22pts in last 16gp (10pts in the last 5gp that were total garbage time)

3 pts in the 1W-8L stretch from games 32-40

Obviously you can argue Sutter effect and putting the line together, but it was essentially a 63pt pace in the ~48 games that really mattered

Playing with Ritchie ….

Maybe our coach shouldn’t play a borderline 4th liner with our best player

[djsFlames]

I don't know what thread is what any more.

Tkachuk rumours are in the trade/speculation thread and the Laine extension was posted about in the Tkachuk thread.