[News] Mangiapane, Kylington, Phillips file for salary arbitration. Tkachuk does not

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I think Tkachuk would sign one if a team offered the amount he wants. As soon as he signs it, it doesn't matter what the Flames do, he's already made the money.

Brady didn't care about re-signing with Ottawa, and that was before they started putting together a decent team and their arena deal looked optimistic.

Not sure what you mean. I'm sure he would sign if it offered the money he wants in a location he was good with, but I'm pretty sure the money he will want is a lot, so the compensation from that team would be huge.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Is there a top 5 team with the cap space to make an offer in that range?

No.

NAS has the necessary picks and the space. They certainly aren't a lock for the playoffs, but it would be pretty hard for them to finish below ARI/CHI (or a lot of other western teams for that matter), and if they did get dragged into a rebuild it would be loooong one based on some of the contracts they have. They seem to have a bit of a Josi cap though and I don't see them blowing that out of the water.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Not sure what you mean. I'm sure he would sign if it offered the money he wants in a location he was good with, but I'm pretty sure the money he will want is a lot, so the compensation from that team would be huge.

I mean that I don't think he particularly cares where he plays as long as it maximizes his career earnings.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I mean that I don't think he particularly cares where he plays as long as it maximizes his career earnings.

As long as it's a tonne of money, that's a good thing for the Flames.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I mean that I don't think he particularly cares where he plays as long as it maximizes his career earnings.

This is what I think too. Just because Sr Tkachuk works for the Blues, doesn't mean he wants to go there. I think he wants to make as much as he could and winning is important as well.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

This is what I think too. Just because Sr Tkachuk works for the Blues, doesn't mean he wants to go there. I think he wants to make as much as he could and winning is important as well.

Maybe but his dad played there. His family lives there. There's some family tradition in that market and I'm sure it's enticing for Matthew and Keith.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Maybe but his dad played there. His family lives there. There's some family tradition in that market and I'm sure it's enticing for Matthew and Keith.

His dad also played for the Jets didn't he? Also, I thought someone mentioned that his mom was a Peg girl, and he has extended family there as well.

[Macman]

Also, why would Kylington and Mangiapane file for arbitration when they’re essentially almost a free agent. If they don’t sign their offer sheets then other teams can make them an offer. But I suppose they have to settle that part first.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Macman

Also, why would Kylington and Mangiapane file for arbitration when they’re essentially almost a free agent. If they don’t sign their offer sheets then other teams can make them an offer. But I suppose they have to settle that part first.

If the team doesn’t agree to the arbitration award they become free agents.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

His dad also played for the Jets didn't he? Also, I thought someone mentioned that his mom was a Peg girl, and he has extended family there as well.

Arizona too. I could see him signing with them, Winnipeg, St. Louis, Calgary, or any other team that helps him maximize his career earnings.

I agree with the other posters that have suggested he'd prefer a short term contract. He should keep taking those until he's at an age where he's declining and it makes sense to force a team to overpay over 7-8 years. I don't think that's now.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Arizona too. I could see him signing with them, Winnipeg, St. Louis, Calgary, or any other team that helps him maximize his career earnings.

I agree with the other posters that have suggested he'd prefer a short term contract. He should keep taking those until he's at an age where he's declining and it makes sense to force a team to overpay over 7-8 years. I don't think that's now.

Depends on how short of a term though, one year two years? I think he would want some sort of security, he could get hurt and be done with career. In sport, you never know.

[Mindtravellee]

Do we start a predictions thread? Can arbitration lead to longer contracts or are they generally shorter ter

[Macman]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

If the team doesn’t agree to the arbitration award they become free agents.

But in Mangiapane’s case that could happen since this is now his second time through this with the Flames. That’s why I was wondering why they didn’t offer more than his current salary or is that not allowed and they stick to the previous amount, I’m not sure what his salary was prior to this contract.

Flames must feel confident about what they want to pay and what he’s worth.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Macman

Thanks for this but why wouldn’t they give Mangiapane and Kylington an increase if they intended to re-sign them when they’re giving Tkachuk a 2m increase from his current salary. I get he’s a big star player and everything but seems odd they won’t give Mangiapane any increase at all from his current AAV. What if another team does offer sheet him. It makes me believe that the Flames have a set price in mind for Mangiapane and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him get moved.

As others have mentioned the qualifying offer is calculated based on the player’s previous contract. Meanwhile, the one or two way contract depends on the games said player played over the last season, and 3 seasons in aggregate.

The qualifying offer must be made by the team in order to keep the player as a restricted free agent. If the team doesn’t qualify a player he becomes an unrestricted free agent. If you would like more information capfriendly offers a calculator and explains all those conditions in detail.

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

His dad also played for the Jets didn't he? Also, I thought someone mentioned that his mom was a Peg girl, and he has extended family there as well.

Walt met his wife (chuckys mom) in Winnipeg. Didn't stop him from looking after numero uno when it came to contract negotiations. I love tkachuk. But he's a mercenary. I hope he signs with us, but would not be at all surprised to see him jump ship

Sent from my SM-N975W using Tapatalk

[jg13]

if Tkachuk does sign his qualifying offer and we trade him at 50% retained, we will still get a kings ransom for a full year of him at 4.5M.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Depends on how short of a term though, one year two years? I think he would want some sort of security, he could get hurt and be done with career. In sport, you never know.

He could, but that's the exact risk he'd be taking by signing the QO and going to UFA in a year.

Another risk would be signing a long-term deal at a young age and becoming a UFA at 32-33. And I think he's well aware of it.

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by Macman

Also, why would Kylington and Mangiapane file for arbitration when they’re essentially almost a free agent. If they don’t sign their offer sheets then other teams can make them an offer. But I suppose they have to settle that part first.

Because they are not ufas. If no other team wants to pay the compensation to the flames they just dont play hockey for a year.

They are not free for any team to sign. Teams will have to overpay and then overpay in compensation too.

Now they have filed for arbitration no team can offer them anything.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Macman

But in Mangiapane’s case that could happen since this is now his second time through this with the Flames. That’s why I was wondering why they didn’t offer more than his current salary or is that not allowed and they stick to the previous amount, I’m not sure what his salary was prior to this contract.

Flames must feel confident about what they want to pay and what he’s worth.

They can still negotiate up until the arbitration date, a lot of times teams and players reach an agreement before arbitration. The qualifying offer is just a formality, I’m sure the flames are open to paying him more.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by jg13

if Tkachuk does sign his qualifying offer and we trade him at 50% retained, we will still get a kings ransom for a full year of him at 4.5M.

Man, if he did sign his QO and was therefore essectially gone after next season this actually would be an incredible way to maximize his trade value. A contender would pay through the nose for Tkachuk at $4.5 even for a Cup run alone (but for a whole season rather than a trade deadline pick up), PLUS the ability to negotiate all season before free agency.

Reality though? - We sign players, including a "way less good Gaudureau to replace Gaudreau" and will be at or near the cap and won't be able to do that. Then we go "all in" this season again and lose Tkachuk after that.

God I hope I'm wrong.