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[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Jayems

That's all you got? Figures.

Maybe you should spend more time trying to back up your point instead of insulting people and rolling your eyes.

In other news, I've got a question for you. I know I know it's an example and you aren't willing to back it up or argue about it or even discuss it but it's the only one you've given and you've said it at least 3 times now so I think it's a fair question.

Do you believe that foreigners come into Canada and say we can't have god in school and that is why god is not in the school?

A) Yes
B) No

If your answer is "No" then maybe you can provide an example that you actually believe in?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Jayems

How is that clearly false? Because you refuse to belive it?

No it's clearly false because it's not true.

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

That's all you got? Figures.

Maybe you should spend more time trying to back up your point instead of insulting people and rolling your eyes.

In other news, I've got a question for you. I know I know it's an example and you aren't willing to back it up or argue about it or even discuss it but it's the only one you've given and you've said it at least 3 times now so I think it's a fair question.

Do you believe that foreigners come into Canada and say we can't have god in school and that is why god is not in the school?

A) Yes
B) No

If your answer is "No" then maybe you can provide an example that you actually believe in?

Yeah, i have to keep ****in repeating it because you just dont get it. Go back, have a nice slow read and answer your own question.

[Jayems]

So I would respectfully suggest that when Christians translate the spiritual idea of the unity of people under God into the political ideology that people from all cultures should be allowed to come en masse to America and other Western countries, that is not the traditional teaching of the Christian church, that is a modern liberal idea, that is the Religion of Man, which has been infused into the Christian church over the past 50 years.


But if this is the case, how can we reconcile our potential spiritual unity as human beings under God with our actual cultural differences? The answer is that in individual and private relationships, people of different backgrounds can relate to each other as individuals, without discrimination of culture and ethnicity. But on the group level, on the level of entire peoples and nations and mass migrations, cultural differences do matter very much and cannot be safely ignored.

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/000637.html

Thats what I believe in.

Where's yours? Or are you still talking out your ass?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Jayems

Yeah, i have to keep ****in repeating it because you just dont get it. Go back, have a nice slow read and answer your own question.

Okay so you do believe it.

You are wrong.

Next question:

Who wrote the Constitution and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms?

A) Outsiders and recent immigrants
B) Canadians

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Okay so you do believe it.

You are wrong.

Next question:

Who wrote the Constitution and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms?

A) Outsiders and recent immigrants
B) Canadians

The answer is C)

It magically spun out of the ground when the first settlers arrived on what is not canadian soil....

Quite the rhetorical question.

Maybe do a litte investigation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadia...s_and_Freedoms

Its easy to take your armchair position and not back anything up, except for others to back theirs.

Guess my question is, Where do you stand? Or do you have a view? I'm willing you bet your not an individual and just go with what the norm is.

[Agamemnon]

Well... I (born and raised Canadian), and many of my friends, believe that Religion has pretty much zero place in Public Schools. That pretty much shoots your 'outsiders want to take religion out of schools' argument, when many 'insiders' want it, no? Or am I an 'outsider' too (since it's not based on race/immigration and all)?

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Well... I (born and raised Canadian), and many of my friends, believe that Religion has pretty much zero place in Public Schools. That pretty much shoots your 'outsiders want to take religion out of schools' argument, when many 'insiders' want it, no? Or am I an 'outsider' too (since it's not based on race/immigration and all)?

I agree. I never once said that religion belongs in school.

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by Incinerator

No, it's more like if a Sudanese family moves here, speaks Sudanese, lives/plays with/and is a part of the Sudanese community, then when they steps out of that circle into mainstream Canada they complain that we are not catering to their "Sudanese needs"; they talk loudly in Sudanese in public; and gets mad when no one can understand them when they ask for something (say, a service of some type, like that bank example I used above) in completely incomprehensible English, then they proceed to accuse people of being racist (even if the other person is of their own race, hilarious.) when their request cannot be granted due to the fact that no one is able to understand "their culture" and what they wanted exactly.

That, my friend, is what I have a beef with. And believe it or not I see it happening all the time with new immigrants (NOT Sudanese specifically, that's just the example we chose here, I see this more often with the Chinese and Filipinos).

And when one of their community members attacks a city cop with a knife, they have the audacity to say he was shot because he was sudanese.

The race card is by far my biggest beef.

Didn't hear about that guy weilding a sword getting shot in Bowness being shot because he was white.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Jayems

The answer is C)

It magically spun out of the ground when the first settlers arrived on what is not canadian soil....

Quite the rhetorical question.

It's not a rhetorical question. I expected a real answer. Maybe you should try to come up with a real answer because you might learn a few things while you are poking about.

Here's a good place to start.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadia...s_and_Freedoms

We live in a secular society. There are lots of reasons for that, the main one being "it's the best way to do it".

God's not in school because this is Canada. You can blame the outsiders all you want, but you are wrong. Tough break, dummy.

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

It's not a rhetorical question. I expected a real answer. Maybe you should try to come up with a real answer because you might learn a few things while you are poking about.

Here's a good place to start.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadia...s_and_Freedoms

We live in a secular society. There are lots of reasons for that, the main one being "it's the best way to do it".

God's not in school because this is Canada. You can blame the outsiders all you want, but you are wrong. Tough break, dummy.

umm... you just linked from my post. You have officially lost all credibility.

Rhetorical:

"a rhetorical question is one asked solely to produce an effect (especially to make an assertion) rather than to elicit a reply"

[Jayems]

Anyway, i didn't post here to get into a ****ing match. This will be my last post, i don't have to prove anything to you.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Jayems

umm... you just linked from my post. You have officially lost all credibility.

Rhetorical:

"a rhetorical question is one asked solely to produce an effect (especially to make an assertion) rather than to elicit a reply"

What do you mean I just linked to your post?

Sorry to hear about the official credibility status though. That stings.

Thanks for telling me what a rhetorical question is. I already knew though. That's why I said "I wanted a real answer". I asked the question so I think I'll be the judge of whether or not it's rhetorical. It wasn't. I didn't (and still don't) think you knew the answer.

So again: Who wrote the Charter of Rights and Freedoms? Canadians, or outsiders? It's not a rhetorical question. I promise.

You must believe it was outsiders and foreigners if you are sticking to your premise that they are the ones who dictate if god gets in school or not.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Jayems

i don't have to prove anything to you.

No you don't, but you have.

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by Jayems

The answer is C)

It magically spun out of the ground when the first settlers arrived on what is not canadian soil....

Quite the rhetorical question.

Maybe do a litte investigation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadia...s_and_Freedoms

Its easy to take your armchair position and not back anything up, except for others to back theirs.

Guess my question is, Where do you stand? Or do you have a view? I'm willing you bet your not an individual and just go with what the norm is.

Funny, that link appeared before your post, yet it was in the same post you quoted me from, which appeared in that reply, but was not quoted in the reply.

Yes, the same link where i'm supposed to go and "educate" myself.

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

What do you mean I just linked to your post?

Sorry to hear about the official credibility status though. That stings.

Thanks for telling me what a rhetorical question is. I already knew though. That's why I said "I wanted a real answer". I asked the question so I think I'll be the judge of whether or not it's rhetorical. It wasn't. I didn't (and still don't) think you knew the answer.

So again: Who wrote the Charter of Rights and Freedoms? Canadians, or outsiders? It's not a rhetorical question. I promise.

You must believe it was outsiders and foreigners if you are sticking to your premise that they are the ones who dictate if god gets in school or not.

You give me A and B to chose from. Both which are at opposite ends of the spectrum. So, i guess the answer is both.

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

No you don't, but you have.

I proved your an ignorant, stubborn, *******?

Sweet.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Jayems

I proved your an ignorant, stubborn, *******?

Sweet.

Ah yes, the devolution of the debate into nonsensical personal attacks.

Someone is certainly losing credibility faster than the Liberals around here, and its you.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Jayems

I proved your an ignorant, stubborn, *******?

Sweet.

Well everybody already knew that so you haven't proven anything.

You haven't convinced anyone that immigrants and outsiders are keeping god out of schools either. Do you even believe it yourself anymore?

Here's a hypothetical...

If we ignored the wishes of every person who hasn't been here for, say, 40 years. Only established Canadians in Canada since 1965 or born here get a vot in a referendum with this question:

Should the Christian God play a role in Canada's school systems? Yes or No

How do you see that one going?

I'd say that there would be a lot more No votes than Yes votes. Do you agree?

[Jayems]

Again, try backing your claims up. You haven't made one point since youve been here, except trying to make points that others aren't valid.

I'll take back the ******* comment, but ignorant and stubborn are staying until you at least validate your little claims.