[News] Zadarov Hearing - Update: No suspension

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by icarus

So remind me why didn't Namestnikov get a hearing for the exact same thing on Johnny Gaudreau? Like, how are the plays any different?

To add, Zadorov wasn't even assessed a penalty, unlike Namestnikov.

Because the guy in charge of player safety is a former goon whose brains have been scrambled so many times he could not tell you what 2+2 is. Welcome to the Mickey Mouse organization that is the NHL.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Just watched again and froze it at moment of contact:

Zadorov went into the check in a consistent manner
Both feet squarely on the ground
Elbow in, and a straight line down from the shoulder through the hip
Went straight through Glendening (didn't stick anything out)

As far as intent goes, it was a clean check.

The problem is that the initial point of contact was the head. I wouldn't say the primary point of contact though, as Zadorov makes contact throughout the torso, and drives into Glendening's chest.

Finally, Glendening was bent down a fair bit. Not only is Zadorov 6 inches taller, but, because he was bent over, Glendening's entire head was at the level of Zadorov's shoulder. Impossible NOT to make head contact. If Glendening is upright, his head might not have been hit. It is is 6'4", his head would not have been hit.

I don't see how you suspend a guy for that.

But he will be suspended for 1 game.

And in real time, without freeze framing things, it’s indiscernible, as to where that point of contact first is.

What it boils down to and your analysis nails it, is anything Zadorov gets, is for simply being physically bigger than Glendenning.

[Owen15]

I’m ok with Mackey or Valimaki. More worried about Taney. Any word there?

The inconsistency within this series is bull####.

[1_Flames_Fan]

Nurse clear intent to injure 1 game... Zad hockey hit cause he's a giant 1 game... What a ####ing joke!

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Just watched again and froze it at moment of contact:

Zadorov went into the check in a consistent manner
Both feet squarely on the ground
Elbow in, and a straight line down from the shoulder through the hip
Went straight through Glendening (didn't stick anything out)

As far as intent goes, it was a clean check.

The problem is that the initial point of contact was the head. I wouldn't say the primary point of contact though, as Zadorov makes contact throughout the torso, and drives into Glendening's chest.

Finally, Glendening was bent down a fair bit. Not only is Zadorov 6 inches taller, but, because he was bent over, Glendening's entire head was at the level of Zadorov's shoulder. Impossible NOT to make head contact. If Glendening is upright, his head might not have been hit. It is is 6'4", his head would not have been hit.

I don't see how you suspend a guy for that.

But he will be suspended for 1 game.

It's a perfect example of what should have been two minutes for a hit to the head, but where no supplementary discipline is warranted because it wasn't predatory. It was a hockey play.

[Macman]

Former referee Don Koharski was on the intermission yesterday and according to him everything about the hit was blatant and he’s still with the league from what I understand and in charge of making rules.

So maybe a suspension coming.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Macman

Former referee Don Koharski was on the intermission yesterday and according to him everything about the hit was blatant and he’s still with the league from what I understand and in charge of making rules.

So maybe a suspension coming.

I believe he is Director of Officials for the NLL.

https://www.nll.com/news/longtime-nh...-of-officials/

[Doctorfever]

Should be a fine.

Not even close to the type of play that delivered a one game suspension to Nurse.

Not that it’s apples to apples. But should be a fine on Zadorov

[agulati]

With a hearing, knowing our luck, he probably gets a game. Mackey, come on in. Really really hope Tanev is okay and can dress

[3rd liner]

If Nurse’s rocket-propelled headbutt is only a game, the standard has been set. This is nowhere near that. If nurse got two or three games, then fine, give zadorov one. This better only be a fine or the DOPs are absolute, unadulterated idiots.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dino7c

there is no point of an appeal in the NHL...by the time they hear it the suspension is over

Right, the only point of an appeal for a short suspension in the regular season is salary lost. No salary lost in the playoffs.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by agulati

With a hearing, knowing our luck, he probably gets a game. Mackey, come on in. Really really hope Tanev is okay and can dress

Agreed with all, however I doubt we stay at 7D if Zadorov is out. My guess is 6D, and Mackey only comes in it both Zadorov and Tanev can’t go.

[Owen15]

That tripping call on Zadorov in the third was also a joke. Makes you wonder.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Macman

Former referee Don Koharski was on the intermission yesterday and according to him everything about the hit was blatant and he’s still with the league from what I understand and in charge of making rules.

So maybe a suspension coming.

Completely fair, but if you asked him I'm sure he would say the one game suspension for Nurse was a total joke. If Nurse was given 4 games then 1 game for Zadorov would be in line. With 1 game for Nurse (and none for Benn) it just doesn't make sense to give Zadorov a game.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Completely fair, but if you asked him I'm sure he would say the one game suspension for Nurse was a total joke. If Nurse was given 4 games then 1 game for Zadorov would be in line. With 1 game for Nurse (and none for Benn) it just doesn't make sense to give Zadorov a game.

Or maybe he'd back his brothers in stripes who didn't even call a penalty on the Nurse attack (words like 'play' or 'incident' aren't very accurate)

[powderjunkie]

The league could/should adopt a few very simple guiding principles that would clear a lot of this up:

On high-speed 'hockey-plays' between the whistles, err towards leniency.

On stupid shenanigans after the whistle, err towards punishment.


If you want to legislate these violent hits out of the game that's fine, but you have to draw a much clearer line. Can anyone explain draw a line between his Kase hit, or Oshie/Bennett, or the Gaudreau hit and this one?


Or another simple guiding principle for Goalie Interference: if the skater is in the blue paint he loses the benefit of doubt (of course you still look at how he got there and whether he tried to leave); if the goalie is outside the blue paint he loses the benefit of doubt.

[1Nite]

Originally Posted by OldSam

Just a freaking joke compared to what has gone unpunished this round. If Tanev is out, this is a disaster. Let's hope it galvanizes the Flames and they can make it through the game.

I am going to suggest Z Is suspended for two games. Why? Because that is where the wheel falls.

Thank heavens Darryl is at the controls.

Guy jumps on Tanev's back and crosschecks his head and back down to the ice, but it's a safe hockey play.

[tvp2003]

Just a reminder of Rule 48.1, which is the official definition for illegal check to the head:

A hit resulting in contact with an opponent’s head where the head was the main point of contact and such contact to the head was avoidable is not permitted. In determining whether contact with an opponent's head was avoidable, the circumstances of the hit including the following shall be considered:

(i) Whether the player attempted to hit squarely through the opponent’s body and the head was not "picked" as a result of poor timing, poor angle of approach, or unnecessary extension of the body upward or outward.

(ii) Whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position by assuming a posture that made head contact on an otherwise full body check unavoidable.

(iii) Whether the opponent materially changed the position of his body or head immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit in a way that significantly contributed to the head contact.

Head was not the “main” point of contact, and I don’t think contact with the head was avoidable given Zadorov’s height. There was no last second change in position, and you can argue Glendening left himself vulnerable, but I don’t think that’s much of a factor. More importantly, there was no “picking” of the head, nor did Zadorov take a bad angle as he shoulder went straight through the player, not just his head.

If people don’t like these kind of hits then they need to change the definition in the rule book.

[Locke]

The League is going to mandate that Zadorov is going to have to be entirely clad in bubble-wrap.

Not for his safety...for everyone else's.

[BlindMilwaukee]

I keep refreshing here and twitter.. has there been an estimated time announced for the decision of this DOPS meeting?