The straight dude's guide to Brokeback

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by sebbie

...... I willingly accept that men don't want to see it. What I don't understand fully is why, but oh well, maybe I am not meant to and I can deal with that.



its simple EG, ever since we were 12 years old we have been watching porn. so we developed the ability to implant our selves into the scene inside our heads. so in our head its jenna and me not jenna and him. and after years of fine tuning this special ability we cant turn it off, so any naked triggers it. and when 2 guys are naked our brains short circuit trying to figure out where we belong in the naked. so we just run away. and if its girl on girl naked, then we become the camra man.

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next time I'm in Calgary (if ever) I must buy you a beer. Quite possibly the greatest post ever made

[@theCBE]

I think Sebbie hit the nail on the head with his post.. kind of explains an answer to Rouges earlier question too

[PYroMaNiaC]

Given the example of porn:
Women can watch girls with girls and guys with guys because, generally, they equate sex with some sort of affection. They assume, internally, that the two people involved like each other. The act is the expression of the feeling and that makes it okay. Men do not. They assume that the two people involved have lust for each other. Therefore, men with men make heterosexual men uncomfortable because their brains are not wired to see men as objects of lust.

[pope04]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

groping these lubed up cheeseballs all night, getting crazy

Perfect line for this thread.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

Beats me, maybe its biological...and also maybe girls can look at naked people without thinking it has be sexual. Guys are probably more hardwired.

A perfect example of this was a stip club near my old University in Sherbrooke Quebec. They had a format of 3 girl strippers then one guy. There lots of couples and mixed groups hanging out, and everything was normal during the girls acts...but as soon as the guys went onstage *BAM* almost every guy (myself included), had a reason to go do something anything else (get a beer, goto the can, tie your shoe, clean gum off the bottom of the table).

That's because women can look at other women because they're typically looking for things to criticize. A guy can't get away with that.

Here's a hypothetical conversation between two girls in your strip club scenario.

girl1: "That blond stripper is gross! Her boobs are WAY too fake looking and I can see her roots."

girl2: "I know! And she's got cellulite on her butt also!"

While here's what it would be like for 2 guys with a naked guy on stage.

guy1: "That guy's got a small crank and a hairy butt"

guy2: "What are you lookin' at that guy's crank and butt for? Hey guy3! Getta load of guy1! He's checkin' out the dude's crank! Hey guy1, are you dissappointed that he's got a small crank?"

Girls will bond through catiness in that situation while guys are looking to bust each other's chops in that situation.

[Eastern Girl]

Girls bond through their cattiness?? Bite your tongue!

Most of the girls that I know that have been in strip clubs spent most of the time criticizing themselves and not the strippers. IE- "I wish I had her abs, she makes me feel fat" or "I could never get away with wearing that thong, I don't have the body for it" etc.

[transplant99]

Classic.

My wife just yelled down to me wondering what i was laughing at and telling me to be quiet.

Just hilarious stuff gang.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Yeah, I'm sure this'll get flamed, but Kermit... I gotta say... Just because you aren't gay doesn't mean you necessarily should be ok with watching gay guys (this one's for CBE and EG...) FIFTH BASE.
I'm not down with alot of things and therefore really don't want to watch them performed or acted out. Whether it be man kissing, fifth basing, kosher killing, gruesome murder, bottle picking or anything else that gives me the shivers. It's not wrong to not want to see something. It doesn't make you whatever-phobic, it doesn't have "conservative" connotations, it's just something that you don't indulge in and really, REALLY don't want to see.

Shooting heroin in Trainspotting? I thought that was an amazing movie, and I'd group it with the examples you listed as giving 'the shivers'.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Rouge, you may be overlooking the whole "male love story" aspect. Thats probably where the pain lies.
As for the dangling tea bag, yeah, I've seen it. To tell you the truth, I was more focussed on the other genetalia on the screen. Let's call it selective seeing.

Hey fair enough. If you can watch the smut and mentally blank out the 10-inch-tall star of the show then more power to ya. You stick to the inflated tits and cheesy plots of modern porn, I'll stick to my collection of 60's era filmstrips of unsuspecting nak3d Swedish housewives running from the sauna to the cabin.

I just find it odd that all us straightsters line up to watch or wax nostalgically about movies based on things like oh I don't know, a whiny orphaned alien boy who becomes an expert at using his "sabre", has a crush on his sister and uses some crazy magic to fight his dad (who happens to be dressed up in a tight leather suit and has a very husky voice) but a movie about two homos is just too much to handle.

Glorious freedom!

[Hakan]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I'm going to refrain from guessing that you (Hakan) are a corderouy pant, cardigan sweater, rectangular glasses wearing, starbucks lounging, big-fat textbook toting, tree huggung acedemic showoff and skip straight to the point.
Guys like me are the reason your mom gave birth. Like me or not, without sperm meeting eggs, you (and I) would not be here to discuss whether gay porn is cool.
So while you're watching gay porn with girls, those girls are busy thinking about meeting me afterward. And I, them. Gay sex may be fun for gay people, but it don't perpetuate the human race.
Be thankful that this redneck is around to procreate. Because if I weren't, my children wouldn't be there to discuss this with (some other guy who isn't busy watching gay porn)'s children.

ps, sorry for the cardigan remark.

Sorry, I don't fit the description, although based on what I said, I can see how you came up with that. But if having an open mind about things makes you a cardigan wearing wank then so be it.

Your other point is uhh understood but I don't see how it applies exactly. My point was that penises, gay things really aren't that uncomfortable if you don't allow them to be. I should know because I used to think it was disgusting too. Until I actually thought about it. Since then, it doesn't bother me, not at all. It certainly wouldn't ruin this movie for me because it has a scene of two guys kissing.

[MRCboicgy]

too damn funny...


as for the movie, my bf has the hots for Heath Ledger so at least after we go see it he'll have his hormones going:P

I just got back from seeing Narnia at chinook, that's a more conservative crowd! Lots of ppl didn't like the whole hand in hand thing when we walked in and out of the theatre. I guess we ruined the flick for the 4 college aged guys behind us, they spent about 1h45m of the movie whispering "they're holding hands!" "omg" "dude" "ewwwwwwwww" Imagine what they'd do if we were the kind of couple that likes to be overtly affectionate during a movie...

[TheyCallMeBruce]

Originally Posted by Hakan

Sorry, I don't fit the description, although based on what I said, I can see how you came up with that. But if having an open mind about things makes you a cardigan wearing wank then so be it.

Your other point is uhh understood but I don't see how it applies exactly. My point was that penises, gay things really aren't that uncomfortable if you don't allow them to be. I should know because I used to think it was disgusting too. Until I actually thought about it. Since then, it doesn't bother me, not at all. It certainly wouldn't ruin this movie for me because it has a scene of two guys kissing.

Got nothing to do with open mindedness. What about preference? I prefer not to watch 2 men kissing. How about that? My argument is that I do not enjoy watching that stuff, therefore, I dont' want to. Why must I give it another chance when I have seen 2 guys kissing and I don't find that stuff comfortable? What about my comfort? Aren't people suppose to be tolerant to my comfort? I am not discriminating against gays, I am not waving sign that says "crucify gays," and as a matter of fact, I have gay friends. But I can't help being uncomfortable. I think my needs are important. Please don't try to discriminate against my preference, or force your views upon me. I find that uncomfortable as well.

[Hakan]

Originally Posted by TheyCallMeBruce

Got nothing to do with open mindedness. What about preference? I prefer not to watch 2 men kissing. How about that? My argument is that I do not enjoy watching that stuff, therefore, I dont' want to. Why must I give it another chance when I have seen 2 guys kissing and I don't find that stuff comfortable? What about my comfort? Aren't people suppose to be tolerant to my comfort? I am not discriminating against gays, I am not waving sign that says "crucify gays," and as a matter of fact, I have gay friends. But I can't help being uncomfortable. I think my needs are important. Please don't try to discriminate against my preference, or force your views upon me. I find that uncomfortable as well.

What are you talking about? Where did I try to force anything on you? The only thing I suggesting was that you keep an open mind and critically analyze why things make you uncomfortable. In the analyzation you may just move past that uncomfort. Oh the horror! I'm so sorry!

Jeez, try to show people the world just a tad outside of their bubble and all of a sudden they're accusing you of discrimination and oppression. The bubble is quite comfortable though, I will admit.

[sebbie]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

. I guess we ruined the flick for the 4 college aged guys behind us, they spent about 1h45m of the movie whispering "they're holding hands!" "omg" "dude" "ewwwwwwwww" Imagine what they'd do if we were the kind of couple that likes to be overtly affectionate during a movie...

i dont care how hard or cool you think you are, but if you are a college aged guy, and the best you and 3 of your friends can do on a friday night is go watch narnia, then you forfit all rights to make fun of anyone! also hakan, gay porn? at least the guy who drinks coolers will be able to say " at least i dont watch gay porn". i kid

[Agamemnon]

Wow... the holier-than-thou judgements are flying all over the place here.

Some of 'us' need to admit that we're biased against male-homosexuality, and not for 'natural' reasons. We're born, bred, and taught by society that it's wrong and gross, and (for the most part), we buy into it.

I find it ironic that some guys here can't bear to look at a penis and ass, despite the fact that they have them themselves.

Anyone ever had to shower after football practice? Were you beyond disgusted that you had to be in the same room as a bunch of other naked men? Call me 'gay', but after practice, I stank... it made sense to have a shower, and it usually wasn't alone. I don't recall being disgusted by all the 'danglers'; I've got one of my own, so I'm not frightened at the thought/sight of them.

But, as a poster said (quoting Donald), Spaghetti or Steak, that's your business. If you're going to talk about your preference, expect it to become a topic of conversation. If you're not, expect to be left alone. Make sense?

[transplant99]

Some of 'us' need to admit that we're biased against male-homosexuality, and not for 'natural' reasons. We're born, bred, and taught by society that it's wrong and gross, and (for the most part), we buy into it.

What?

Im not biased against it, but I sure as hell dont want to see it. I was never taught it was wrong, nor gross, so take your own holier than thou/superior idealism and stuff it.

Naked men dont bother me in the least....but men engaging in sexual activities do. What's the problem with that?

You don't think there are women who simply don't like watching women engaging as well? You'd be dead wrong. In fact there is likely a % of men who don't like watching women getting busy with one another either.


I don't understand why my, or anyone's "preferance", is a topic of others conversations. It's truly no one else's business, and nothing to be "judged" on by the PC crowd.

[4X4]

Yeah, I've showered with men... At the gym, after hockey, at a hot pool or any pool for that matter. No big deal. Now, if a couple of them were to start making out or getting it on, I'd just have to leave the room. Should I type it slower for you?

Holier than thou. You're one to talk.

[MRCboicgy]

btw: I don't drink coolers either

just thought I'd throw that out there for ya straight folk

[Flames_Gimp]

I'd watch the movie just for a laugh... BTW, I think the title should be 'Bareback Mountatin'. lol

[TheyCallMeBruce]

Originally Posted by Hakan

What are you talking about? Where did I try to force anything on you? The only thing I suggesting was that you keep an open mind and critically analyze why things make you uncomfortable. In the analyzation you may just move past that uncomfort. Oh the horror! I'm so sorry!

Jeez, try to show people the world just a tad outside of their bubble and all of a sudden they're accusing you of discrimination and oppression. The bubble is quite comfortable though, I will admit.

The fact that you believe most of us here are unopen to viewing these things and have not done so. I have done so. I see no benefit it doing so. It terms of my comfort level, let me ask you this. Will you be comfortable with me punching you in the face? I'm sure you will object to the thought...why? Cause it brings you discomfort. Well, psychologically, this does the same thing to me. Do you question why a punch brings you pain? No, you just know biologically you are not adapt to accepting punches to the face willingly. You can explain it in biological terms, but reason philosophically and you're at a lost. Psychologically, it is the same for me.

And by painting us all in one broad brushstroke does imply discrimination. How would you know 4x4 hasn't given this the chance? Seems to me he has seen man on man action, and he does not appreciate it. He's not stupid. I'm sure he has evaluated his thought process and came to the conclusion that he DOESN'T WANT TO SEE THIS ****. Nothing wrong with that.