UPD: Lehner to have season ending surgery

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You have been defending their revolving door LTIR all season...sure it likely won't work but they certainly tried to ice a 100M playoff roster

In the first place, 93 is not 100. I know advanced math is hard, but do try to remember that.

In the second place, you've already been wrong with your predictions. I distinctly recall you saying that Stone would magically be healthy for game 1 of the playoffs with no cap hit. He returned some time ago, and his cap hit is counting right now. And if they don't make the playoffs, that part of your prediction is wrong, too.

I suggest you stop attacking people who are more right than you are.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

He has lost the confidence of his teammates and has been conceding the net to Thompson.

Whether or not that should be the case, this isn't really based on reality.

After Lehner returned from injury and got his first game under his belt, Thompson sat until he played the Flames. That was Thompson's first game in two weeks. After that game Lehner returned home due to an illness to a family member so Thompson had to play the Oilers (where he #### the bed).

Then Lehner got back to the team and started against the Devils and Capitals in pretty much must-win games. He was pulled after the first period but had only let in 1 goal in 13 shots. The goal snuck through him after the Capitals did their best Globetrotters impression embarrassing the entirety of the Vegas team. Thompson let in his first shot. It was an odd situation and the most likely reason is that Lehner was injured as being reported.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

In the first place, 93 is not 100. I know advanced math is hard, but do try to remember that.

In the second place, you've already been wrong with your predictions. I distinctly recall you saying that Stone would magically be healthy for game 1 of the playoffs with no cap hit. He returned some time ago, and his cap hit is counting right now. And if they don't make the playoffs, that part of your prediction is wrong, too.

I suggest you stop attacking people who are more right than you are.

I said Stone would make a miraculous recovery the second they had cap space... revolving door LTIR

You have been suggested it's really hard to get a guy on LTIR, it's not...they basically need to say they aren't 100%. Guys can practice for three months on LTIR but can't play seems a bit fishy.

I have long said IF they make the playoffs. Reilly Smith is back if they make it fyi.

Darryl Sutter also said 100M...it's called an exaggeration. They acquired a 10M player and the plan was "guys get injured" their words.

The fact you can't even acknowledge they tried to abuse the LTIR loophole is hilarious really. They traded a perfectly healthy player for a retired one on LTIR FFS

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Whether or not that should be the case, this isn't really based on reality.

After Lehner returned from injury and got his first game under his belt, Thompson sat until he played the Flames. That was Thompson's first game in two weeks. After that game Lehner returned home due to an illness to a family member so Thompson had to play the Oilers (where he #### the bed).

Then Lehner got back to the team and started against the Devils and Capitals in pretty much must-win games. He was pulled after the first period but had only let in 1 goal in 13 shots. The goal snuck through him after the Capitals did their best Globetrotters impression embarrassing the entirety of the Vegas team. Thompson let in his first shot. It was an odd situation and the most likely reason is that Lehner was injured as being reported.

He was terrible against the Devil's to the point it cost them the game

[OptimalTates]

I think Deboer is just trying to be cute. Act like he doesn't know Lehner is hurt and say he could play so teams don't focus so much on scouting their emergency back up goaltender.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He was terrible against the Devil's to the point it cost them the game

And then who did they start against the Capitals?

Like I said, whether or not it should be the case, the reality is that it wasn't.

[dino7c]

Thompson is 9-5 with a .921
Lehner has a .907

They really should have went with Thompson, would likely have two more points.

Lehner was playing based on reputation but probably not the best call. Injuries aside his heart doesn't seem to be in it.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I said Stone would make a miraculous recovery the second they had cap space... revolving door LTIR

No, you very specifically said he would be out until game 1 of the playoffs and then would be miraculously healed. Don't deny it.

You have been suggested it's really hard to get a guy on LTIR, it's not...they basically need to say they aren't 100%. Guys can practice for three months on LTIR but can't play seems a bit fishy.

BS.

I have long said IF they make the playoffs.

You said they WOULD make the playoffs.

Darryl Sutter also said 100M...it's called an exaggeration.

It's called lying. If you can't make your case without lying, you have no case.

The fact you can't even acknowledge they tried to abuse the LTIR loophole is hilarious really.

It isn't a loophole, it's how the system was intentionally designed. The fact that you can't understand that is what's hilarious.

They traded a perfectly healthy player for a retired one on LTIR FFS

Acquiring Kesler wouldn't have given them any extra cap space, as I have tried to explain to you many times. At this point, it's clear that you are deliberately refusing to understand how the rules work so you can keep your stupid conspiracy theory going in your head.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You have been defending their revolving door LTIR all season...sure it likely won't work but they certainly tried to ice a 100M playoff roster

I also fully support a salary cap in the playoffs. I’m just tired of all the whining about a garbage team that isn’t a threat.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Whether or not that should be the case, this isn't really based on reality.

After Lehner returned from injury and got his first game under his belt, Thompson sat until he played the Flames. That was Thompson's first game in two weeks. After that game Lehner returned home due to an illness to a family member so Thompson had to play the Oilers (where he #### the bed).

Then Lehner got back to the team and started against the Devils and Capitals in pretty much must-win games. He was pulled after the first period but had only let in 1 goal in 13 shots. The goal snuck through him after the Capitals did their best Globetrotters impression embarrassing the entirety of the Vegas team. Thompson let in his first shot. It was an odd situation and the most likely reason is that Lehner was injured as being reported.

And if you look into the reason why the coach pulled Lehner in a tie game after the first it is because, according to him, because the team wasn't playing confident in front of him.

When asked why he started him, if that was the case, he replied because we pay him to be the guy.

Its a bizarre situation but the fact of the matter is the team lost all confidence in Lehner and were not playing well in front of him.

[Hoop27]

Per David Schoen of the Las Vegas Review-Journal, DeBoer told reporter on Friday that he expects Lehner to practice on Saturday and be in uniform on Sunday when the Golden Knights host the San Jose Sharks.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It's called lying. If you can't make your case without lying, you have no case.

Oh please, quit being so dramatic. It was an exagguration and nothing more.

At lot of people (myself included) believed that Vegas would make it into the playoffs and then have a bunch of miracle recoveries just in time for game 1. What we didn't know is that their goaltending would struggle so much and cost them a ton of games, causing them to fall too short of a playoff spot to make up all the ground. You do have to wonder about the timing of Martinez and Stone coming off LTIR, with Vegas needing them to make a last minute desperate push for a playoff spot. It looks like they'll fall short, but there's no denying that team would have been a serious threat if they had made it in.

And yes it's a loophole, if you keep a guy on LTIR when he's recovered from his injury and he's healthy enough to play.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

And if you look into the reason why the coach pulled Lehner in a tie game after the first it is because, according to him, because the team wasn't playing confident in front of him.

When asked why he started him, if that was the case, he replied because we pay him to be the guy.

Its a bizarre situation but the fact of the matter is the team lost all confidence in Lehner and were not playing well in front of him.

Not really at all what you said, and again I believe DeBoer is being cute and Lehner is injured.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Not really at all what you said, and again I believe DeBoer is being cute and Lehner is injured.

Well I got the information from the guys on the Fan960 so they must have interpreted it the way I explained.

It doesn't sound nearly as negative about the team losing confidence in him as they made it out but you are right the coach is using wordspeak to be a bit cryptic.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

What we didn't know is that their goaltending would struggle so much and cost them a ton of games

Shutout against the Wild, then shutout against the Jets the next day. One goal against the Canucks and shutout against the Oilers. Then two goals against the Devils who are terribly defensively (though 44 shots). Of their last 5 losses you can only blame their goalies for one.

Everything is going wrong in Vegas. Which we should bask in.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Acquiring Kesler wouldn't have given them any extra cap space, as I have tried to explain to you many times. At this point, it's clear that you are deliberately refusing to understand how the rules work so you can keep your stupid conspiracy theory going in your head.

Trading a healthy player for a guy on LTIR would have gained them cap space no matter how many times you say it wouldn't have....duh, why do you think they wanted to do it? It was 100% a cap move. They would have gotten rid of Dadonov's entire cap hit.

And "six doctors couldn't fix his back" Stone was playing as soon as they were desperate and found some cap space.

Martinez practiced for 3 month on LTIR with a couple weeks off in covid protocol.

I hear Iraq is looking for a new information minister

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Trading a healthy player for a guy on LTIR would have gained them cap space no matter how many times you say it wouldn't have....duh, why do you think they wanted to do it? It was 100% a cap move. They would have gotten rid of Dadonov's entire cap hit.

Of course moving Dadonov would have removed his cap hit. But he said acquiring Kesler wouldn't, which is true.

Dadonov and a 2nd for Moore

or

Dadovov and 2nd for Kesler and Moore

Same thing with respect to Vegas' cap.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by dino7c

And "six doctors couldn't fix his back" Stone was playing as soon as they were desperate and found some cap space.

They made the cap space by putting Brossoit, Carrier and Patrick on LTIR.

Brossoit was injured on March 24, 2022 along with Patrick. Carrier was injured March 26, 2022.

Stone was activated April 12. If Stone was able to play on March 27, 2022 why wait three more weeks? Just wanted to make the fight for a playoffs more dramatic for the fans?

[dino7c]

How many teams have put 8+ players on LTIR this season?

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Martinez practiced for 3 month on LTIR with a couple weeks off in covid protocol.

And?

Even if it was healthy the CBA already discusses this situation.

A Player with a Player Salary of $1.5 million becomes unfit to play for
more than 24 calendar days and 10 NHL Regular Season games. At the
time the Player becomes unfit to play, his Club has an Averaged Club
Salary of $69.5 million, and the Upper Limit in that League Year is $70
million. The Club may replace the unfit-to-play Player with another
Player or Players with an aggregate Player Salary and Bonuses of up to
$1.5 million. The first $500,000 of such replacement Player Salary and
Bonuses shall count toward the Club's Averaged Club Salary, bringing the
Averaged Club Salary to the Upper Limit. The Club may then exceed the
Upper Limit by up to another $1 million as a result of the replacement
Player Salary and Bonuses. However, if the unfit-to-play Player once
again becomes fit to play, and the Club has not otherwise created any
Payroll Room during the interim period, then the Player shall not be
permitted to rejoin the Club until such time as the Club reduces its
Averaged Club Salary to below the Upper Limit.

The league can challenge putting a player on LTIR if they have reason to believe that the player was not injured, but once on, there's no requirement for them to be activated when healthy. In fact there's two situations where they cannot be activated:

a) if they had been on the LTIR less than 10 games or 24 days
b) if they don't have room