Joe Rogan cancellation watch

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Isn't that what is happening?

Yes?

Edit : If you meant that there was a discussion happening... the conversation in this thread is more nuanced than 99% of what is occurring on the net and in media on this subject and those like it. The vast majority of statements are just that, statements. That is a way of effectively ending discussion.

There are multiple attempts in this forum as well to end discussion in this way. Taking the truckers for example, I would be interested in talking about the connection between 'choice' and losing ones job. That is interesting and deserves some looking into. Unfortunately, the terms nazi, racist, and the blending of issues from anti-vax to anti-mask make it almost impossible to have that discussion now.

Isn't it baffling that Joe Rogan is coming across as the adult in the room when relating to the subject of his cancellation? I mean, he's clearly an interested party, but why is he the one talking about change and coming to a resolution and no one else is. It's Joe Rogan! If the calls to end his show are valid, he should be the caveman drooling in the corner, not the one listening to the criticism and changing his show.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Like who?

Not going to hammer a guy for possibly being old and out of touch but using "coloured people" in 2022 was a little wonky

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...82#post8162482

[Cole436]

I don’t know about you guys but if I knew someone in 2010 who was casually saying the n word, comparing black people to apes, laughing as a rapist recounts his stories of rape, and spreading lies, I wouldn’t want anything to do with them.

Before anyone tries the “it was a different time”, no it wasn’t. The things we find acceptable in 2010 have a lot more overlap with today then the ten years prior to it.

Actions have consequences and if he gets deplatformed for the harm he’s caused then so be it.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Cole436

I don’t know about you guys, but if I knew someone in 2010 who was casually saying the n word, comparing black people to apes, laughing about women getting raped, and also spreading pathological lies, I wouldn’t want anything to do with that person.

Depends. Is that person a comedian?

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Going to stress that the first rule of being a comedian is being funny and Joe Rogan does not meet that legal requirement

[underGRADFlame]

Remember when if you didn't like something or agree with something you read or listened to you could just stop reading it or listening to it and move on with your life?

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Those are just recently discovered ammunition for the people who didn’t want Rogan on Spotify in the first place.

The racism parts are a different argument, and not something Young brought up.


There is a very clear problem here that Rogan has a huge reach, with a large percentage of his audience that are easily convinced that his "experts" are correct.

His podcast has convinced a significant percentage of his audience that vaccines are dangerous, and has directly led to a lot of them refusing to get vaccinated. This has directly led to people dying, hospitals over-filling and the other issues that vaccine refusers have caused.

You can't just dismiss people who think this is a problem as being woke lefties or whatever you are saying. I don't really care about whatever else Joe Rogan or his guests have to say, but this particular issue is a big deal and has created real problems.

We're probably a little late in the game for this to matter much to be honest though. There's no way to undo the damage his message has caused, and if omicron is the end of this, then getting vaccinated now isn't changing a whole lot other than people protecting themselves.

What is the right way to get people on board with getting safe and effective vaccines in the future though? Clearly letting people think for themselves isn't working when you have such a large number willing and eager to listen to bad information. Mandates seem to cause everyone to go crazy. Are vaccines only useful as a tool for individual protection, and it's time to just give up on them as a tool to eradicate diseases and provide herd immunity. I know all this crap has spread into regular childhood vaccines hesitancy and those numbers are now way down.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Going to stress that the first rule of being a comedian is being funny and Joe Rogan does not meet that legal requirement

What legal requirement?

You don't have to like it, and you definitely don't have to think it's funny (I sure don't) but just because you don't think it's funny doesn't make it a statement vs a joke.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by btimbit

What legal requirement? .

It was a joke. Being a fan of Joe Rogan you of course wouldn't get sarcasm.

That also was a joke!

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Not going to hammer a guy for possibly being old and out of touch but using "coloured people" in 2022 was a little wonky

Honest question because I don't stay up to date to terminology trends and movements but is "coloured people" really that unacceptable when the new term BIPOC includes "People Of Colour"? Is there a significant difference there?

[Fuzz]

Joe Rogan is a problem because he perpetuates misinformation as truth. Him being "canceled" has nothing to do with picking political sides. People like him, Ezra Levant and Rebel News, The Western Standard...they all chew away at our democracy. You can't have democracy with a misinformed public. The disaster at our border and in Ottawa is fueled by these liars.

So I don't consider this "cancel culture", it's an attempt to preserve what sanity we can. You let them have their "freedom" and it just means the destruction of our society. Truth has become lies, and deception fact. You here it from every one of these "protestors". They've all been brain washed, and Joe is a part of that. Is he the worst part? No, not at all. But he's certainly an active participant.

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Honest question because I don't stay up to date to terminology trends and movements but is "coloured people" really that unacceptable when the new term BIPOC includes "People Of Colour"? Is there a significant difference there?

https://slate.com/human-interest/201...cceptable.html

Even Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colored

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I would be interested in talking about the connection between 'choice' and losing ones job.

What is there to talk about? This is nothing new. You've always been free to make whatever choices you want. Your employer is free to keep you employed or not. It's not like this sprung up out of the ground a few weeks ago. It's been status quo for decades.

As with and in all things, you are free to make the 'choice' you want to make, but you MUST deal with the consequences of it. Being 'free' doesn't mean you get to make consequence free choices. It never has.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Honest question because I don't stay up to date to terminology trends and movements but is "coloured people" really that unacceptable when the new term BIPOC includes "People Of Colour"? Is there a significant difference there?

Historical context. Jim Crow laws and segregation. A phrase and term used to divide.

"Coloured People" and "People of Colour" are only similar with context and history removed.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Depends. Is that person a comedian?

Yeah for me that’s not a depends. Being a comedian does not give you a pass to be a ####ty person. There’s also a distinction between risky contents of a stand up a set and unscripted discussions on a podcast by someone who just happens to be a comedian. One of them is clearly a bit, the other is not.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

Remember when if you didn't like something or agree with something you read or listened to you could just stop reading it or listening to it and move on with your life?

Remember when a person with a podcast can single-handedly super spread vaccine misinformation, conspiracy theories, and be a significant contributor to the erosion of democracy and science in western society during the greatest health crisis of past 100 years?

Neither do I.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Cole436

Yeah for me that’s not a depends. Being a comedian does not give you a pass to be a ####ty person. There’s also a distinction between risky contents of a stand up a set and unscripted discussions on a podcast by someone who just happens to be a comedian. One of them is clearly a bit, the other is not.

Couldn't disagree more. History is full of comedians pushing boundaries but unless you can somehow prove they meant it vs they're joking about it, it's meaningless. Do people really think Bill Burr crosses the street if a black person is sharing the sidewalk? Because he's joked about worse than that on his podcast too. Do people really think George Carlin wanted to murder anyone with an annoying voicemail? Do people really think Jimmy Carr was at the Holocaust? If you take something seriously that's not meant to be taken seriously, of course you're going to get upset. You certainly don't have to like a joke, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a joke

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Couldn't disagree more. History is full of comedians pushing boundaries but unless you can somehow prove they meant it vs they're joking about it, it's meaningless. Do people really think Bill Burr crosses the street if a black person is sharing the sidewalk? Because he's joked about worse than that on his podcast too. Do people really think George Carlin wanted to murder anyone with an annoying voicemail? Do people really think Jimmy Carr was at the Holocaust? If you take something seriously that's not meant to be taken seriously, of course you're going to get upset. You certainly don't have to like a joke, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a joke

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Couldn't disagree more. History is full of comedians pushing boundaries but unless you can somehow prove they meant it vs they're joking about it, it's meaningless. Do people really think Bill Burr crosses the street if a black person is sharing the sidewalk? Because he's joked about worse than that on his podcast too. Do people really think George Carlin wanted to murder anyone with an annoying voicemail? Do people really think Jimmy Carr was at the Holocaust? If you take something seriously that's not meant to be taken seriously, of course you're going to get upset. You certainly don't have to like a joke, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a joke

It’s like you fully missed the point.

I’m not talking about a comedian making a set. I’m talking about a person who happens to be a comedian recounting a story on his podcast in which he compared black people to apes, used the n word numerous times, and laughed at a rapist describing his rape.

And that’s not even bringing up is massive misinformation campaign which is actively hurting real people.

These are not the same things.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Joe Rogan is a problem because he perpetuates misinformation as truth. Him being "canceled" has nothing to do with picking political sides. People like him, Ezra Levant and Rebel News, The Western Standard...they all chew away at our democracy. You can't have democracy with a misinformed public. The disaster at our border and in Ottawa is fueled by these liars.

So I don't consider this "cancel culture", it's an attempt to preserve what sanity we can. You let them have their "freedom" and it just means the destruction of our society. Truth has become lies, and deception fact. You here it from every one of these "protestors". They've all been brain washed, and Joe is a part of that. Is he the worst part? No, not at all. But he's certainly an active participant.

The Western Standard, Ezra Levant and Rebel News are all the same umbrella, are they not? They are renowned for their constant nonsensical drivel. And the trucker issue was a direct result of Trudeau adding the mandate, and then revoking it, and then adding it again, all in a one week span. Trudeau broke the camel's back.

You are making a lot of connections where there are none, and it allows conclusions that are simply not true by using the connection to make generalizations.

Half of programming on MSNBC, CBC, FOX and CNN are all opinion pieces. Joe Rogan is almost entirely opinion programming and has enough reach to be in the same conversation. So he has more in common with current 'traditional' news sources than any fringe element in the public discourse.

I could argue that almost all media sources have devolved into a monster that is nibbling away at democracy, but we have to work within the system that is available to us.