Buy?/Sell?/All-in?/Tank? What should the Flames do?

[Ullr]

I want a gamechanger like Laine.

His game has improved a ton recently but his value is tanked while being stuck on Columbus. If all it took for CLB/WPG was a Dubois 1 for 1. I bet the conversation can get going if we dangle a 1st, Dube + Prospect (or more picks).


Nothing says going ALL IN on the team long term than securing an elite winger with one of the best shots in the league.

[Badgers Nose]

Toffoli, Hot Dog Phil that would be some tidy work by BT.

Eberle if he could be had cheap would be nice too.

[Vinny01]

You look at the 2 Cup winning teams in LA the Kings made a considerable addition mid season. Adding Jeff Carter in 2012 and Marion Gaborik were key players that helped them win cups.

The Flames absolutely need to add a top 6. Toffoli or maybe someone with term like Konecny. Dube+1st+2nd?

[kyuss275]

Really hope they add a 2nd line center but that might be impossible.

[Sandman]

Mike McKenna of Daily Faceoff suggests Giroux could be a target for the Flames.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Mike McKenna of Daily Faceoff suggests Giroux could be a target for the Flames.

I will be stunned if he doesn't get dealt to the Avalanche.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Dylan Strome is excatly the kind of player I would love to add.

Slow?

[Sandman]

Dylan Strome is one of the slowest players in the NHL, maybe the slowest.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I will be stunned if he doesn't get dealt to the Avalanche.

This is my take too.

Byram and Jost likely available and potentially part of the package.

[CliffFletcher]

I wish the Ducks would fall out of playoff contention so Getzlaf and Rackell were in play.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

This is my take too.

Byram and Jost likely available and potentially part of the package.

Byram is off on leave isnt he ?

[Burn13]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I wish the Ducks would fall out of playoff contention so Getzlaf and Rackell were in play.

Even if they did they would ask for a kings ransom for those two to a divisional foe.

[taxbuster]

So we get to a few days before TD and JG/Lewis Gross still haven't told Tre whether they're signing or not (I sure hope this does NOT occur!). So Tre is up against it: trade his #1 player and best asset and hope that he gets enough qualityparts back that make a run next year equally plausible - and maybe moreso because a couple of good players in return is a wider spread of talent. Or, he keeps JG for a run, and risks losing both the run and Johnny for nothing.

Rock <> Hard Place.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Certainly true, the chorus isn’t over, but it does lead me to the question again a top six Center.

Who is a young top six Center that can be traded for?
Hertl won’t play here of that I’m fairly certain.
Barzal I don’t think is going anywhere rumours.
Not interested in wheeler unless it’s PLD coming back, again not happening.

Christian Dvorak has come up but is he a huge improvement on what we have. I don’t know?
Kadri going into a huge long term deal, but it’s him sooo.

So who is a realistic target?

Yeah i was wondering about him the last while myself.

Is he better than what we have now? Likely not.

But he is also a pretty good candidate for change of scenery guy as well. He has never played around a real good hockey environment as a pro. This year worse than his time in Arizona if that's even possible.

So the gamble would be whether or not he could "pop" in Calgary after getting into a hard structure system but gambling 4.5M for the next 3 years as the ante.

Obviously he has close ties with Tkachuk which could be nothing but a benefit, he would have the magic of Darryl Sutter if he buys in, and gives this club the flexibility to slot guys in better spots.

I dunno what the cost would be but its an intriguing question.

[NegativeSpace]

I am cautiously optimistic on the Flames chances this year, but I scratch my head to think of deadline deals that really have worked out for the acquiring team. People have brought up Columbus as an example, but I'm not sure that helped their organization long-term.

Buy? If the price makes sense for the player and the fit makes sense in the line up. There is a reason managers talk about mistakes being made on trade deadline day. If there is a Coleman-like player that could be had for the forward ranks (non-stop motor with some goal scoring ability for the 2nd or 3rd line RW), then that seems like a player to acquire, but not at any cost.

Sell? No team in the Flames circumstances is selling a potential playoff run. People are talking about Dallas selling but I can't seem them or even San Jose doing so unless they really start to fall. All a team like Dallas or San Jose need is to gone on a bit of a heater and they are right there.

Tangent: I am occasionally surprised by the number of fans that appear uncomfortable with the team losing control over a player like Johnny or Matthew [I have avoided that thread as a result but am seeing it here]. It is a bargained progression for a team and a player. At some point the players get to choose where they play and for how much. Typically, the player is at the height of their value but that tapers off afterwards - usually in very different degrees.

I trust that conversations have been and continue to be had about what deals will look like and structures. If they lose either player, then that won't be great but at least they can look for free agents (e.g., Brodie out and Tanev in) as I've grown more comfortable with the team's ability to scout professional fits. Naturally, there will not be a Johnny or Matthew on the market but perhaps a player falls out of favour and trades are available. Alternatively, perhaps the Flames' young prospects are relied upon more.

If they cannot replace (even partially) those players, then they have to look towards younger players and may have a few lean years - which warns against rashly giving away draft picks. There are some decent looking players in the system that could make the team next year. Perhaps we are talking about the young forwards for the Flames making an impact like Oliver has this year.

All-in? I don't know what that would mean. I am not in favour of emptying the cupboards for players that may not fit into the room, fit with Sutter, or have little desire or chemistry to play for Calgary. Let's not forget that it took part of last year, all summer, a full training camp and this team still has moments where they forget to play Sutter's system. I am skeptical that anyone can plug and play within this line up.

What should the Flames do? I get that many people point to how the team is playing and saying if we are going to make a splash then this year is the one to do it. I cannot disagree. They have been impressive to date. I also think that it has to depend on the prices, fit, and type of player.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Burn13

Even if they did they would ask for a kings ransom for those two to a divisional foe.

Both guys are UFA at years end so if the Ducks were out of things, they wouldnt care where they went. They could be back there next year if they all wish and agree.

Ducks would take the best offer agreed to by the players and do it.

Alas, they will be in the mix IMO and maybe even sneak in.

Getzlaf would be the perfect addition to this team.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

I am cautiously optimistic on the Flames chances this year, but I scratch my head to think of deadline deals that really have worked out for the acquiring team. People have brought up Columbus as an example, but I'm not sure that helped their organization long-term.

Buy? If the price makes sense for the player and the fit makes sense in the line up. There is a reason managers talk about mistakes being made on trade deadline day. If there is a Coleman-like player that could be had for the forward ranks (non-stop motor with some goal scoring ability for the 2nd or 3rd line RW), then that seems like a player to acquire, but not at any cost.

Sell? No team in the Flames circumstances is selling a potential playoff run. People are talking about Dallas selling but I can't seem them or even San Jose doing so unless they really start to fall. All a team like Dallas or San Jose need is to gone on a bit of a heater and they are right there.

Tangent: I am occasionally surprised by the number of fans that appear uncomfortable with the team losing control over a player like Johnny or Matthew [I have avoided that thread as a result but am seeing it here]. It is a bargained progression for a team and a player. At some point the players get to choose where they play and for how much. Typically, the player is at the height of their value but that tapers off afterwards - usually in very different degrees.

I trust that conversations have been and continue to be had about what deals will look like and structures. If they lose either player, then that won't be great but at least they can look for free agents (e.g., Brodie out and Tanev in) as I've grown more comfortable with the team's ability to scout professional fits. Naturally, there will not be a Johnny or Matthew on the market but perhaps a player falls out of favour and trades are available. Alternatively, perhaps the Flames' young prospects are relied upon more.

If they cannot replace (even partially) those players, then they have to look towards younger players and may have a few lean years - which warns against rashly giving away draft picks. There are some decent looking players in the system that could make the team next year. Perhaps we are talking about the young forwards for the Flames making an impact like Oliver has this year.

All-in? I don't know what that would mean. I am not in favour of emptying the cupboards for players that may not fit into the room, fit with Sutter, or have little desire or chemistry to play for Calgary. Let's not forget that it took part of last year, all summer, a full training camp and this team still has moments where they forget to play Sutter's system. I am skeptical that anyone can plug and play within this line up.

What should the Flames do? I get that many people point to how the team is playing and saying if we are going to make a splash then this year is the one to do it. I cannot disagree. They have been impressive to date. I also think that it has to depend on the prices, fit, and type of player.

Well i would suggest the Barclay Goodrow and Blake Coleman worked out rather nicely for Tampa since they were acquired.

[Enoch Root]

I don't think there is any debate on the buy or sell question - the Flames have to be buyers here, with so many of their best players being in their prime, some top players are having career years, solid goaltending, and a great coach.

Pretty much everyone agrees that they need to bolster their offense, but I am not so sure it needs to be a goal scorer. I am hoping that Backlund has his usual strong second halfs, if so, he and Coleman will be a solid line - and Pelletier might be a perfect addition for them.

IMO, the biggest need is to improve the Monahan line. And both Monahan and Mangiapane are goal scorers, so it might make more sense to look for a play maker for them.

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Monahan- playmaker
Pelletier - Backlund - Coleman
Lucic - Ruzicka - Lewis/Dube

On a seperate mote. I think Dube needs to spend a couple games eating popcorn.

[Enoch Root]

Regarding goalscorers, I have been lobbying for Toffoli for a couple years now.

I don't think there is any chance of it, but Hertl, with Mangiapane and Monahan, would be amazing

[Mass_nerder]

Not that I think Giroux is actually a realistic acquisition, but say we do get him. Where does he fit?
Do we have him on the first line, and shuffle Lindholm down?
Do we make pairs with Gaudreau and Lindholm, then Chucky with Giroux? Who plays RW on the top two lines? Monahan?