[News] Jack Eichel Surgery And Comeback Thread

[schteve_d]

The NHL posted a short video on Facebook today showing Jack Eichel skating. I really wish we had been able to work out a deal for him. It's not like we are hurting at all, I am loving this season, but I really think he could have been a large part of our future!

[Rutuu]

What is the "I told you so" schedule for believers vs non believers that he would recover?

1. Return to line up?
2. PPG pace?
3. PPG in the playoffs?
4. Stanley Cup?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

The NHL posted a short video on Facebook today showing Jack Eichel skating. I really wish we had been able to work out a deal for him. It's not like we are hurting at all, I am loving this season, but I really think he could have been a large part of our future!

Eichel was skating pre surgery as well.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

What is the "I told you so" schedule for believers vs non believers that he would recover?

1. Return to line up?
2. PPG pace?
3. PPG in the playoffs?
4. Stanley Cup?

There is no accurate 'I told you so' because, even if it happens, it might not have.

But the answer would be playing at the level he was before (i.e. back to 100%)

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

There is no accurate 'I told you so' because, even if it happens, it might not have.

But the answer would be playing at the level he was before (i.e. back to 100%)

If Eichel comes back at the same level he was, it’s “I told you so”.

If he comes back at the level he was and wins a title before his deal expires, you won’t hear the end of it for 20 years.

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Eichler was skating pre surgery as well.

Oh, sorry I did not realize that. Perhaps not as big of news as I had thought.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

Oh, sorry I did not realize that. Perhaps not as big of news as I had thought.

It’s newsworthy.

[Rutuu]

It definitely could be a nuanced "I told you so"...he's been off for awhile.

Not really sciency but when guys miss camp or hold out they tend to have off years. I look at William Nylander in 2018-19 as a guy that had an off year after a contract squabble that went into the season.

The next 3 seasons...back to where they thought he should be with the contract.

So both sides of the discussion may get there time in the sun over the next 12months. Pretty cool.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

It definitely could be a nuanced "I told you so"...he's been off for awhile.

Not really sciency but when guys miss camp or hold out they tend to have off years. I look at William Nylander in 2018-19 as a guy that had an off year after a contract squabble that went into the season.

The next 3 seasons...back to where they thought he should be with the contract.

So both sides of the discussion may get there time in the sun over the next 12months. Pretty cool.

Look at Petterson this year just missing all of camp.

[Rutuu]

Definitely Petterson is a good one to look at for a big bounce back next season (for all of us Fantasy players ).

[FusionX]

This thread still keeps breaking my heart lol. Looking at the team now, I can't help but imagine what my excitement level would be if we subtracted Monahan, Valimaki and a few prospects for Eichel (obviously not what Buffalo wanted). Maaaan

Anyways, I'll just go back to enjoying the season, let's just win the cup so we won't have to look back at this ever again. Deal? Deal.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by FusionX

This thread still keeps breaking my heart lol. Looking at the team now, I can't help but imagine what my excitement level would be if we subtracted Monahan, Valimaki and a few prospects for Eichel (obviously not what Buffalo wanted). Maaaan

Anyways, I'll just go back to enjoying the season, let's just win the cup so we won't have to look back at this ever again. Deal? Deal.

Win a title this season and Eichel becomes Brett Hull.

Better win.

No sense picking in the top-3 rounds this year, and we’ve probably got to have noteworthy contributions from at least Zary and Pelletier, and maybe Coronato as well.

Post Script edit:

And as Mangiapane scores his 16th goal (on 29% shooting) and 3rd assist tonight, it remains baffling that he wasn’t on the table for this player.

Love him. I do. Awesome 6th round pick.

He’s older than Eichel and has 261 fewer points.

Just imagine explaining this to people 3-5 years from now.

“Well, you have to understand, he was on the long list for Team Canada after being the MVP of the World Not in the Playoffs championship, so obviously we couldn’t include him for a player who would be Team USA’s presumptive #2C behind Auston Matthews when healthy.”

Makes perfect sense. Not at all someone you sell high on.

[SoulOfTheFlame]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Win a title this season and Eichel becomes Brett Hull.

Better win.

No sense picking in the top-3 rounds this year, and we’ve probably got to have noteworthy contributions from at least Zary and Pelletier, and maybe Coronato as well.

Post Script edit:

And as Mangiapane scores his 16th goal (on 29% shooting) and 3rd assist tonight, it remains baffling that he wasn’t on the table for this player.

Love him. I do. Awesome 6th round pick.

He’s older than Eichel and has 261 fewer points.

Just imagine explaining this to people 3-5 years from now.

“Well, you have to understand, he was on the long list for Team Canada after being the MVP of the World Not in the Playoffs championship, so obviously we couldn’t include him for a player who would be Team USA’s presumptive #2C behind Auston Matthews when healthy.”

Makes perfect sense. Not at all someone you sell high on.

Short term thinking is what got us here, short term thinking is what keeps us here. However if they keep rolling under Darryl and somehow win the cup in the next 2 seasons, Brad is still proven right.. Sometimes short term thinking wins cups.. but isn't how you build a dynasty.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Win a title this season and Eichel becomes Brett Hull.

Better win.

No sense picking in the top-3 rounds this year, and we’ve probably got to have noteworthy contributions from at least Zary and Pelletier, and maybe Coronato as well.

Post Script edit:

And as Mangiapane scores his 16th goal (on 29% shooting) and 3rd assist tonight, it remains baffling that he wasn’t on the table for this player.

Love him. I do. Awesome 6th round pick.

He’s older than Eichel and has 261 fewer points.

Just imagine explaining this to people 3-5 years from now.

“Well, you have to understand, he was on the long list for Team Canada after being the MVP of the World Not in the Playoffs championship, so obviously we couldn’t include him for a player who would be Team USA’s presumptive #2C behind Auston Matthews when healthy.”

Makes perfect sense. Not at all someone you sell high on.

You are over-reacting to a couple of tidbit reports because it suits your narrative. We have no idea what a deal would have looked liked with him included. If it was even possible at all.

Comparing this to Hull, who is a player the Flames ACTUALLY had is silly.

I guess we can look forward to you complaining about this and your hyperbole for years, unless the Flames win a cup.

[Monahammer]

I was one of the people banging the drum hardest for an eichel trade. But the team is winning, we didn't get him. No sense dwelling on it. Certainly no sense being angry that we didn't trade our best goal scorer during one of our best ever starts to a season...

Just try to enjoy some flames hockey!!

Bennett is another one- no sense getting mad about bennett succeeding elsewhere. The reality is that the flames are a much better team when he is not playing on it. We know the flames are a good team now and dont know what they would look like with Eichel, so perhaps the same mantra applies. It doesn't really matter how good a player looks elsewhere, they probably would not have looked the same here. Too many variables.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Win a title this season and Eichel becomes Brett Hull.

Better win.

No sense picking in the top-3 rounds this year, and we’ve probably got to have noteworthy contributions from at least Zary and Pelletier, and maybe Coronato as well.

Post Script edit:

And as Mangiapane scores his 16th goal (on 29% shooting) and 3rd assist tonight, it remains baffling that he wasn’t on the table for this player.

Love him. I do. Awesome 6th round pick.

He’s older than Eichel and has 261 fewer points.

Just imagine explaining this to people 3-5 years from now.

“Well, you have to understand, he was on the long list for Team Canada after being the MVP of the World Not in the Playoffs championship, so obviously we couldn’t include him for a player who would be Team USA’s presumptive #2C behind Auston Matthews when healthy.”

Makes perfect sense. Not at all someone you sell high on.

Buffalo wanted Krebs. They said a much. Flames were just a pawn in their negotiations. Unless the Flames were somehow able to use Mangiapane in a trade to acquire Krebs, then they weren't really in the running to get Eichel.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I was one of the people banging the drum hardest for an eichel trade. But the team is winning, we didn't get him. No sense dwelling on it. Certainly no sense being angry that we didn't trade our best goal scorer during one of our best ever starts to a season...

Just try to enjoy some flames hockey!!

I'm enjoying the heck out of this season so far. Very pleasantly surprised.

Even if they finish with 115 points though, the whole thing gets flushed down the toilet if they get knocked out in round 1 like in 2019. And it will be made 1000 times worse if it's an Eichel led VGK team that knocks us out.

But yeah, for now enjoy and hope to hell they have playoff success too.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'm enjoying the heck out of this season so far. Very pleasantly surprised.

Even if they finish with 115 points though, the whole thing gets flushed down the toilet if they get knocked out in round 1 like in 2019. And it will be made 1000 times worse if it's an Eichel led VGK team that knocks us out.

But yeah, for now enjoy and hope to hell they have playoff success too.

Do you see this version of the team with Sutter at the helm being first round fodder again? I sure don't.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Do you see this version of the team with Sutter at the helm being first round fodder again? I sure don't.

Definitely not fodder. I will be absolutely shocked if they get steam rolled like in the Avs series.

Could definitely lose a close series though. Especially if they run into a team like Vegas who are no slouches at two way hockey themselves, already have multiple deep runs under their belts, and might just be adding an elite 1C to their roster just in time for the playoffs.

[dustygoon]

I'm accepting that we likely won't have the big splash star in Calgary. I'm fine with the current situation.

Now I'm just excited to see him return, look great, and make the Buffalo franchise, it's GM and it's terrible ownership look more inept. I hate how they handled that trade and let the Tkatchuk rumour slip out.