[Signing] Oilers sign Hyman (7yrs, $5.5 mil AAV)

[CrazyCaper]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It is hilarious that the entry draft isn’t until tomorrow and the Oilers have brined through 10-11M in their cap space on Keith and Hyman. Talk about money burning a hole in his pocket.

Ken Holland spends money like my 16yr old when he gets his paycheck from Sobeys.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by stang

Spoiler!

Here’s capfriendly after putting Klef on ltir, signing Hyman and smith and putting the players who aren’t going to make the team down. No buyouts and no trades yet

You've got over 11M in cap space here before Barrie. Someone said 5M aav earlier, I think more likely 6 (I believe he wanted even more from Toronto), so we'll say 5.5.

Now you have 6M in cap space. Here are the minimum needs and ballpark costs for each:
-A #6 defenseman (1.5-2M)
-A #7 defenseman (1-1.5M)
-A top 6 left wing (Devin Shore is your 4LW or 13th forward) (4-5M)
-A third line LW (2-3M)
-A 4th line C / wing (depending if MacLeod is actually going to play 4C or if he's the 13th forward) (1.5-2.5M)

... I say "minimum" because I think Josh Archibald is probably the 4th line wing in the above, which of course means you need a new top 6 RW for whatever line Puljujarvi isn't on. But let's say they go minimum. You're already way over what you can afford.

Here is a cap compliant Oilers roster with realistic cap hits for re-signed players. That said, it's only 22 players. That's because there's only about 300,000 in remaining cap space here.
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If you were to be really optimistic and assume Kailer Yamamoto signs for $2M for some reason, you have just enough room to squeak in that 23rd roster spot at about league minimum... and still no room for Barrie.

[SuperMatt18]

If the Oilers buyout both Koskinen and Neal, and put Klefbom on LTIR they have $23M in cap space and they would need to sign 4-5 forwards, 1-2 dmen, and Smith.

Hyman: $5.5M
Smith: $2.0M
Yamamoto: $3.0M
Khaira: $1.2M

That leaves them with about $11M to play around with still, needing to sign 2 forwards and another d-man. So they do have some room to make another splash if they wanted to but that's only if ownership is willing to buyout both Koskinen and Neal.

If they don't buyout Koskinen and Neal then they will just be able to squeeze in Barrie, as they'd really only have Klefbom's LTIR room to play with.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

^You're assuming a Smith / Stalock goalie tandem then?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

^You're assuming a Smith / Stalock goalie tandem then?

Correct.

It would be hilarious and I'm all for it.

[stang]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

If you were to be really optimistic and assume Kailer Yamamoto signs for $2M for some reason, you have just enough room to squeak in that 23rd roster spot at about league minimum... and still no room for Barrie.

Well since serevalli is speculating Hamilton to the Oilers….

Ullmark, Hamilton and Ryan added. Still have 2.7 mil in space. Never made a trade yet either, and don’t think they are just filling all the holes in FA.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I fail to see how the Flames are not in win now mode? They brought a coach out of retirement to try and win.

I think this is a terrible move and the optics will crush it just like the Lucic deal. Hyman is coming in now with the weight of this deal on his shoulders and a fanbase that is at best 50% skeptical about this deal already. If he stumbles they will be frothing at the mouth about Hyman being a bad deal. It is exactly what happened to Lucic.

I see Oiler fans saying “well Hyman is better than Lucic” well Lucic was 28 when he signed with the Oil and had 6 seasons that were better than Zach’s career high.

Hyman has struggled with injuries the last couple years and plays a style that will be prone to breakdown. I heard Dreger refer to him as top 6/top 9 forward and they are paying him 1st/2nd line wing money now for a player that is likely going to decline quickly.

Yes, the Flames are 'trying to win'.

But they are not in 'mortgage the future and do anything you can to win NOW' mode, like the Oilers are.

McDavid isn't happy and wants results. They have 4 more years of him and Draisaitl. They have arguably the best one-two punch in the NHL. And they have done NOTHING with it. They HAVE TO find ways improve the team and
push towards being a contender. Immediately.

So, for them, signing 8 year deals to keep cap hits down, makes total sense.

Re Lucic: yes, he was a better player at 28 than Hyman is/was. However, he is also one of the heaviest players in the NHL, and it surprised no one when he slowed down at a pretty young age.

Hyman is nothing like that. Maybe his game deteriorates in a couple years, but I would bet that it doesn't. If the Oilers get 4 good years out of him, this will have been a great signing for them.

[Enoch Root]

Oilers aren't getting Ryan for $1.5M.

His first 2 choices would be to re-sign with the Flames or go home to Seattle. And both those teams would happily pay him that much. Signing with Edmonton would require being enticed - I would guess something like $2.5M.

[Mull]

In the other thread Textcritic kindly responded to me when I ask how would the oilers give up a pick for this signing, and he responded if its 8 years TO gets a pick.

I briefly scanned this thread didn't see the answer, what pick is it and why does this occur? Is it part of the agreement TO made to let other teams speak to the player ahead of FA?

[Groot]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

If the Oilers buyout both Koskinen and Neal, and put Klefbom on LTIR they have $23M in cap space and they would need to sign 4-5 forwards, 1-2 dmen, and Smith.

Hyman: $5.5M
Smith: $2.0M
Yamamoto: $3.0M
Khaira: $1.2M

That leaves them with about $11M to play around with still, needing to sign 2 forwards and another d-man. So they do have some room to make another splash if they wanted to but that's only if ownership is willing to buyout both Koskinen and Neal.

If they don't buyout Koskinen and Neal then they will just be able to squeeze in Barrie, as they'd really only have Klefbom's LTIR room to play with.

This would be glorious. $11M but they need to sign Barrie, so that's $5 million, leaving $6 for a new goalie and the remaining forwards, or forwards a Smith/Stalock goalie combo.

Nurse - Bear
Keith - Barrie
Russell - Bouchard

Smith
Stalock

That could be one of the worst defense and goalie combos the NHL has seen in quite some time. Oilers gonna set a modern-day GAA record.

[stang]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Oilers aren't getting Ryan for $1.5M.

His first 2 choices would be to re-sign with the Flames or go home to Seattle. And both those teams would happily pay him that much. Signing with Edmonton would require being enticed - I would guess something like $2.5M.

His projected cap hit is 950k, I thought that was a little low so went to 1.5.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Hyman is going to look pretty awesome on McDavids line hunting pucks down. The thing is there's no way he lasts 8 years. Even over the course of the regular season he always is so banged up by the time playoffs comes around he loses his effectiveness. He goes 100% every single shift.

They probably just use him for 4 years and then put him on LTIR for the final 4.

He's going to look so out of place. Then the rest of the team will tell him to cool it cause he's making them look bad.

[GioforPM]

Derek Ryan will make more like $2M. Yamamoto will want at least $2. Hamilton is looking for $8 based on Pietrangelo’s deal.

And that first line won’t last. You are getting Hyman/McDavid/Draisaitl.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by stang

His projected cap hit is 950k, I thought that was a little low so went to 1.5.

Derek Ryan is projected at $950K? That’s laughable.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Mull

In the other thread Textcritic kindly responded to me when I ask how would the oilers give up a pick for this signing, and he responded if its 8 years TO gets a pick.

I briefly scanned this thread didn't see the answer, what pick is it and why does this occur? Is it part of the agreement TO made to let other teams speak to the player ahead of FA?

Only Toronto can sigh him for 8 years, so the deal would be TO signs him then trades him to Edmonton for a pick.
Otherwise he signs for 7 years in EDM when free agency opens up.

[stang]

Originally Posted by Mull

In the other thread Textcritic kindly responded to me when I ask how would the oilers give up a pick for this signing, and he responded if its 8 years TO gets a pick.

I briefly scanned this thread didn't see the answer, what pick is it and why does this occur? Is it part of the agreement TO made to let other teams speak to the player ahead of FA?

Toronto is the only team that can sign him to 8 years. So if they want 8 years they need Toronto to sign him and trade him to the oilers. The pick hasn’t been agreed on yet, which is why there are 2 contracts. Toronto’s options are lose him for nothing (then he signs a 7 year deal) or sign and trade and get a late round pick back (and Hyman gets an 8 year deal)

[stang]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Derek Ryan will make more like $2M. Yamamoto will want at least $2. Hamilton is looking for $8 based on Pietrangelo’s deal.

And that first line won’t last. You are getting Hyman/McDavid/Draisaitl.

I wouldn’t get too hung up on Ryan just wanted a RS 3C.
Yamamoto is getting 2-2.5 IMO and I have him there
Put Hamilton at 8 and there’s still 2.2 in cap.

And I didn’t worry about who is playing with who.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Only Toronto can sigh him for 8 years, so the deal would be TO signs him then trades him to Edmonton for a pick.
Otherwise he signs for 7 years in EDM when free agency opens up.

Ty Why can only TO sign him for 8 years?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Derek Ryan will make more like $2M. Yamamoto will want at least $2. Hamilton is looking for $8 based on Pietrangelo’s deal.

And that first line won’t last. You are getting Hyman/McDavid/Draisaitl.

Yup, every game by middle of the 1st period Drai is moved up with McHobo.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes, the Flames are 'trying to win'.

But they are not in 'mortgage the future and do anything you can to win NOW' mode, like the Oilers are.

McDavid isn't happy and wants results. They have 4 more years of him and Draisaitl. They have arguably the best one-two punch in the NHL. And they have done NOTHING with it. They HAVE TO find ways improve the team and
push towards being a contender. Immediately.

So, for them, signing 8 year deals to keep cap hits down, makes total sense.

Re Lucic: yes, he was a better player at 28 than Hyman is/was. However, he is also one of the heaviest players in the NHL, and it surprised no one when he slowed down at a pretty young age.

Hyman is nothing like that. Maybe his game deteriorates in a couple years, but I would bet that it doesn't. If the Oilers get 4 good years out of him, this will have been a great signing for them.

If the Oilers are mortgaging the future then put pieces like Holloway, Broberg, 1st rounders etc for players who can help with good cap hits. I guess my problem is I don’t view Hyman as a $5M player on a short or long term deal. I would say he is a 4.5M player for 3-4 years. That is my opinion I know others view him far more highly but to me this is a role player being grossly overpaid in both dollars and term