[Rumour] Flames one of several teams showing interest in Christian Dvorak

[868904]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Sutter is the AGM now? Oh man.

Honestly, I think Sutter is, off the record, higher up than Treliving. He could probably have Treliving fired if he wanted. The owners will take Darryl's side on things I bet.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by 868904

What was OEL's analytics in previous years? Like when he signed his current contract? Has he regressed since he signed it?

These things just don't make sense. How can a player THAT bad (according to analytics) get such an amazing contract and be considered a great player?

What are his advanced stats since he’s wanted out? Is it reasonable to think he has asked to be traded 2 years in a row and his play has suffered because of it?

$6.75 isn’t bad for OEL if you can win the first part of the deal

[Tbull8]

Idk why everyone is hating on the idea of Dvorak so much. I agree that Monahan has more value based on past performance, but Dvorak's career up to this point is verrrrry similar to what Lindholm had done before we got him

[Savvy27]

If the Flames trade for OEL then I will join the Tre haters club. It is one of the worst contracts in the league. I would rather just run with Hanifin and Valimaki in the top 4 and if that tanks the team so be it. Can't see it though. The only time I can remember the Flames trading for such a bad contract was Lucic's and they were trading a bad contract with a bad attitude.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Idk why everyone is hating on the idea of Dvorak so much. I agree that Monahan has more value based on past performance, but Dvorak's career up to this point is verrrrry similar to what Lindholm had done before we got him

Past performance also isn’t going to help us next year

How good is Monahan going to be if the plan is to play Lindholm with Johnny?

Dvorak has a better contract and might be a better fit with Tkachuk on the second line. He is superior defensively and is younger

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by 868904

Honestly, I think Sutter is, off the record, higher up than Treliving. He could probably have Treliving fired if he wanted. The owners will take Darryl's side on things I bet.

Why stop there? He could probably have Treliving driven out to a buddy's farm land and put in a hole in the ground too if he wanted.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Idk why everyone is hating on the idea of Dvorak so much. I agree that Monahan has more value based on past performance, but Dvorak's career up to this point is verrrrry similar to what Lindholm had done before we got him

It totally depends on acquisition cost. My fear is it would involve a first and that’s not a move the Flames can be making right now.

In a hockey deal I’m definitely interested.

[Psytic]

I like Dvorak. I just think this is another type of trade to ensure the Flames finish 8th or 9th every year. Unless they are getting Marner in another trade as well this is just spinning their wheels imo. Course the team MO is just to be 8th place and with how weak the Pacific is maybe this is all they need to do to. Mission accomplished.

[dissentowner]

A top 6 of:
Gaudreau/Lindholm/Hyman
Tkachuk/Dvorak/Mangiapane

That looks excellent to me.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Acquire Marner too and you’ve got yourselves the London Knights trio of 2016.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Dube is not as good and Garland is better than you are representing here. But I agree that Monahan > Dvorak.

Garland is a decent player. He reminds me of Derek Ryan out there, except he doesn't go to the dirty areas as often. As a goal scorer, he's a garbage man. This past season he got a ton of breaks that resulted in goals, otherwise he would have been held to single digits for goals. What's worse, he's a perimeter player and does most of his best work behind the goal line or off the half wall. He's a good passer, but you need a finisher with him, which we sorely lack. He's a bubble third or second line player. A really good third line player, or a mediocre second line player. Interestingly, Dube is kind of in that same role. Shows he's a good third liner, but has the talent to be on the second line. What's holding him back is the experience and opportunity. Give him those three years that Garland has on him, and Dube is a better player. As it is, Dube can play multiple roles that Garland can't. The only advantage I see is Garland is a right shot. I'll keep Dube over Garland.

[868904]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Why stop there? He could probably have Treliving driven out to a buddy's farm land and put in a hole in the ground too if he wanted.

Well, I'm sure Papa Treliving still has some connections in the police and also lots of cash to make sure that doesn't end well for Darryl.

[868904]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Acquire Marner too and you’ve got yourselves the London Knights trio of 2016.

Can't see how you acquire Marner without giving them Tkachuk.

[SuperMatt18]

Garland is RH shot Mangiapane IMO

And the never scored 40 points is such a misleading line. Sure he's scored 39 points each of the last two seasons, but both were shorted due to COVID and out of his own control.

Over those seasons he scored 34 goals, 78 points, in 117 games.

Garland is probably a 25 goal, 60 point guy over a full season based on his trajectory and play over the last two seasons.

[blender]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

I'm not negative. I just like to be right.

I know.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I would guess he would be relatively cheap, no? I don't see him as having a high upside, and definitely shouldn't be playing ahead of Backlund IMO. Monahan will out-produce him easily IMO, and I do expect Monahan to rebound (if healthy).


I actually think that with the Flames having lost Bennett last season, and Monahan possibly not being ready for the start of the season (I don't know if he is or not), then they are looking for someone to fill a spot and provide more depth. Maybe they don't want to re-sign Ryan, and maybe they don't look at Dube as a centre any longer.


There is nothing wrong with Dvorak, but IMO that is all he really is - solid depth that I would be happy if the Flames acquired, dependent on the price. I also think the "he played with Tkachuk" really does much - Jarome played with Hnat a lot too in junior.


Happy to acquire him dependent on the price, but this is just a solid depth move in my mind than any untapped potential.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Idk why everyone is hating on the idea of Dvorak so much. I agree that Monahan has more value based on past performance, but Dvorak's career up to this point is verrrrry similar to what Lindholm had done before we got him

I don't see the correlation? Lindholm was 23 when he had his breakout year. Dvorak is 25 and still waiting for his.

I also don't see anyone hating on the idea of Dvorak, just stating what you are getting versus what you are giving up. If the intent is to reunite the London Knight line, maybe we should be the ones trading a player to make it happen? Trade Tkachuk to Arizona for Keller, Chychrun, and Hayton. Let them deal with the other angle of trying to pry Marner out of Toronto.

[Roof-Daddy]

So what kind of contract is Garland going to get?

Buying UFA years and he's put up a strong point per game average so far.

4 x $4 million?

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

So what kind of contract is Garland going to get?

Buying UFA years and he's put up a strong point per game average so far.

4 x $4 million?

What league did he do this in?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

What league did he do this in?

NHL?

The guy played at a 65pt pace over a full season this year at 24 and 0.6ppg average over his whole career.



Way rather have Garland and sign him to a 5-7 year deal than sign Hyman for free for a 6-7 year deal at his rumored asking price