[Rumour] UPD: no deals for Flames before expansion draft roster freeze

[djsFlames]

What would they have been able to get for Gio if they did trade?

They'd have to take some cap dump back just to get an asset with it

Would rather Seattle just take that contract clean off our hands.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by TOfan

If moves to improve the team were available, they would have been made, no?

Help me understand what moves the Flames missed out on here that would have improved the team, because I haven’t heard any.

How are you certain that every available move would have made the team worse.?

No one can win this argument, some posters simply believe the team needs a change. Now we move on to the next opportunity.

You can always argue the GM made the best possible decision given the information known to them but I don’t see much fun in that. Once you’ve said that once, you’re done.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

What would they have been able to get for Gio if they did trade?

They'd have to take some cap dump back just to get an asset with it

Would rather Seattle just take that contract clean off our hands.

That is assuming it is Gio. I will wait to see the list.

[dammage79]

I think they could have gotten something similar for Gio that Ellis got. But meh.

I'd had liked Patrick or Glass to have been a Flames acquisition.

Hopefully they can do something.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I think they could have gotten something similar for Gio that Ellis got. But meh.

I'd had liked Patrick or Glass to have been a Flames acquisition.

Hopefully they can do something.

6 years ago.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I think they could have gotten something similar for Gio that Ellis got. But meh.

I'd had liked Patrick or Glass to have been a Flames acquisition.

Hopefully they can do something.

Ellis is 8 years younger than Gio with 6 more years on his contract , with a very reasonable AAV and even better actual payout.

Something similar in return?

Not likely!

[Yrebmi]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

What are the chances if the Flames leave Gio unprotected that the Kraken don't take him? I could see them taking any of Kylington, Lucic or Ryan instead of Gio.

Highly unlikely - and I do think Lucic is a bit underrated due to that contract. Still wouldn't be amazing to hear Oilers fanbase rage while calculating the buy out for Neal.

[dissentowner]

If the rumours that a 1st and a 3rd was the asking price then Tre had a very good day. Nobody was taking on Gio during this time, not sure why anyone would be complaining.

[AustinL_NHL]

My thoughts:

The Preds got a VERY meh return for an excellent defenseman who's 7+ years younger than Gio and has 6 more years on his contract.

Not only that, the Penguins traded an excellent middle-6 forward in McCann to Toronto for basically nothing.

Can't imagine many teams were offering anything of value for Gio.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Losing gio for nothing would sure be how the flames do their thing.

Was really hoping that they moved gio prior to the expansion.

Yeah, as opposed to all those other teams that aren't losing a player for nothing. The expansion draft only affects the Calgary Flames, because Brad Treliving is the most stupid person in the universe.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Yeah, as opposed to all those other teams that aren't losing a player for nothing. The expansion draft only affects the Calgary Flames, because Brad Treliving is the most stupid person in the universe.

Did Chiarelli move to another universe?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

How are you certain that every available move would have made the team worse.?

No one can win this argument, some posters simply believe the team needs a change. Now we move on to the next opportunity.

You can always argue the GM made the best possible decision given the information known to them but I don’t see much fun in that. Once you’ve said that once, you’re done.

I’m not certain. But what I am at least willing to acknowledge is that the Flames employ a team of hockey executives who make these decisions. How many cumulative years of experience do Treliving, Maloney, Conroy, Snow, Pascal, & Sutter have? How many does Reign of Fire or Keenan87 have?

I’m also willing to admit I have a career and a young family. I probably spend an hour or two a day reading about hockey or listening to podcasts. In other words, I don’t pretend to know more about what’s going on than the Flames management knows. I think a lot of people on this board like to think they do know more.

Again, though, under what circumstances would the Flames have decided not to improve the team today, if they had that opportunity and it made sense with their plan? Or should we just conclude that the Flames are run by imbeciles who wouldn’t know which end of the hockey stick is used for shooting, and the average CPer is better equipped to do their job?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Did Chiarelli move to another universe?

He didn't lose a player for nothing in an expansion draft, did he? So obviously he's not as stupid as Treliving.

Originally Posted by TOfan

Or should we just conclude that the Flames are run by imbeciles who wouldn’t know which end of the hockey stick is used for shooting, and the average CPer is better equipped to do their job?

I thought we concluded that long ago. Let's not lose the plot here.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I’m not certain. But what I am at least willing to acknowledge is that the Flames employ a team of hockey executives who make these decisions. How many cumulative years of experience do Treliving, Maloney, Conroy, Snow, Pascal, & Sutter have? How many does Reign of Fire or Keenan87 have?



I’m also willing to admit I have a career and a young family. I probably spend an hour or two a day reading about hockey or listening to podcasts. In other words, I don’t pretend to know more about what’s going on than the Flames management knows. I think a lot of people on this board like to think they do know more.



Again, though, under what circumstances would the Flames have decided not to improve the team today, if they had that opportunity and it made sense with their plan? Or should we just conclude that the Flames are run by imbeciles who wouldn’t know which end of the hockey stick is used for shooting, and the average CPer is better equipped to do their job?

Yet he hasn't accomplished anything in 7 years. He's getting paid the big bucks in a result oriented business. Sometimes making no deals is not the best thing. But you keep drinking the kool aid. Some GMs are better than others. Brad is not in the good pile.

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[blender]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I’m not certain. But what I am at least willing to acknowledge is that the Flames employ a team of hockey executives who make these decisions. How many cumulative years of experience do Treliving, Maloney, Conroy, Snow, Pascal, & Sutter have? How many does Reign of Fire or Keenan87 have?

I’m also willing to admit I have a career and a young family. I probably spend an hour or two a day reading about hockey or listening to podcasts. In other words, I don’t pretend to know more about what’s going on than the Flames management knows. I think a lot of people on this board like to think they do know more.

Again, though, under what circumstances would the Flames have decided not to improve the team today, if they had that opportunity and it made sense with their plan? Or should we just conclude that the Flames are run by imbeciles who wouldn’t know which end of the hockey stick is used for shooting, and the average CPer is better equipped to do their job?

I thought this was a prerequisite to post here!

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I’m not certain. But what I am at least willing to acknowledge is that the Flames employ a team of hockey executives who make these decisions. How many cumulative years of experience do Treliving, Maloney, Conroy, Snow, Pascal, & Sutter have? How many does Reign of Fire or Keenan87 have?

I’m also willing to admit I have a career and a young family. I probably spend an hour or two a day reading about hockey or listening to podcasts. In other words, I don’t pretend to know more about what’s going on than the Flames management knows. I think a lot of people on this board like to think they do know more.

Again, though, under what circumstances would the Flames have decided not to improve the team today, if they had that opportunity and it made sense with their plan? Or should we just conclude that the Flames are run by imbeciles who wouldn’t know which end of the hockey stick is used for shooting, and the average CPer is better equipped to do their job?

You are right, no one can ever be ####ty at doing their jobs. Welcome to the real world where if you get paid money, then you need to accomplish something. No one gives a #### about tenure and years of experience.

Like the other poster said, you can continue to clean Treliving's arse.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by keenan87

You are right, no one can ever be ####ty at doing their jobs. Like the other poster said, you can continue to clean Treliving's arse.

Well, I'll give you this: You are much better at not doing Treliving's job than he is at doing it. Why, I bet you've never made a single mistake while working as general manager of an NHL franchise.

I wonder why nobody around the league recognizes your superlative qualifications.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I’m not certain. But what I am at least willing to acknowledge is that the Flames employ a team of hockey executives who make these decisions. How many cumulative years of experience do Treliving, Maloney, Conroy, Snow, Pascal, & Sutter have? How many does Reign of Fire or Keenan87 have?

I’m also willing to admit I have a career and a young family. I probably spend an hour or two a day reading about hockey or listening to podcasts. In other words, I don’t pretend to know more about what’s going on than the Flames management knows. I think a lot of people on this board like to think they do know more.

Again, though, under what circumstances would the Flames have decided not to improve the team today, if they had that opportunity and it made sense with their plan? Or should we just conclude that the Flames are run by imbeciles who wouldn’t know which end of the hockey stick is used for shooting, and the average CPer is better equipped to do their job?

Well if people on a hockey forum spouting their opinions on hockey as if they know more than an NHL GM gets you riled up, you won’t find much joy on the internet talking about hockey IMO.

I mean the Flames had a management team in the early 90’s with lots of hockey experience and they still traded Gilmour, Macoun and other useful pieces for essentially nothing. Even with that said, your argument is always valid I just don’t see the point in repeating it endlessly.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Yeah, as opposed to all those other teams that aren't losing a player for nothing. The expansion draft only affects the Calgary Flames, because Brad Treliving is the most stupid person in the universe.

How many times are you going to keep saying this?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I mean the Flames had a management team in the early 90’s with lots of hockey experience and they still traded Gilmour, Macoun and other useful pieces for essentially nothing. Even with that said, your argument is always valid I just don’t see the point in repeating it endlessly.

Actually, the Flames had this management team in the early 90's:

Doug Risebrough – two years as AGM, had to learn the GM's duties on the job while also serving as head coach
Al Coates – several years in hockey operations but no executive experience
Bill Hay – no hockey management experience at any level

They also had one of the smallest budgets in the league and were constantly losing talent because they couldn't afford to pay good players.

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

How many times are you going to keep saying this?

You tell me. How many times are people going to blame Brad Treliving for losing a player in the expansion draft?