Calgary Flames 21-22 Roster speculation

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I take Backlund along with every other players numbers this year with a large grain of salt both good and bad. Playing against the same teams night in and night out is why McDavid was able to hit 100 points in a 56 game schedule. Backlund is slowing down and it’s only a matter of time his slow starts don’t pick up by the mid season where all of a sudden he’s producing at a near point per game clip to finish out. He’s not a necessarily imposing player as well so it becomes harder to slot him into the bottom 6 and checking roles as he slows down. It’s tough to let pieces go for ‘nothing’ but we gain 5.35 mill in space for the next 3 seasons for ‘free’ if Seattle ended up taking Backlund which is definitely something.

Every other year it’s been the same thing, in the non-COVID league. Backlund isn’t overpaid.

Again, just trade him if you want to shed salary. It’s a bad idea, but it’s better than “for free”.

[Heavy Jack]

Monahan deserves a 1st rounder all day but there’s no way they would trade the 2nd overall so now we are talking comparable roster players which Seattle doesn’t have; I don’t see a fit for that really and Monahan is the kind of player we need to be moving laterally to grab a great young player coming back the other way that can play and has played top 6 minutes in the NHL.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Every other year it’s been the same thing, in the non-COVID league. Backlund isn’t overpaid.

Again, just trade him if you want to shed salary. It’s a bad idea, but it’s better than “for free”.

He’s handsomely paid for what he brings and the argument right now is that he’s about to hit his ‘cliff’ and the expansion draft adds a different opportunity for that. Again trading Backlund isn’t just something that is done easily, he’s an aging vet with a heavy contract who is bound to slow down soon, you won’t just get prospect or picks for him you will likely have to take salary back and what kind of salary?? Another aging player? The flames have a lot of youth they need to extend and very shortly, subtracting a contract both in term and length like Backlunds isn’t a bad thing especially if your not taking money back which is a likely scenario in any Backlund trade.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Every other year it’s been the same thing, in the non-COVID league. Backlund isn’t overpaid.

Again, just trade him if you want to shed salary. It’s a bad idea, but it’s better than “for free”.

It a cap constrained league, a 3rd line centre making $5.35M likely doesn’t hold much in the way of value.

Tampa couldn’t give Tyler Johnson away.

Not saying no one would be interested, but with Backs’ NTC, the number of suitors would likely be very low.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It a cap constrained league, a 3rd line centre making $5.35M likely doesn’t hold much in the way of value.

Tampa couldn’t give Tyler Johnson away.

Not saying no one would be interested, but with Backs’ NTC, the number of suitors would likely be very low.

Exactly this.

[GioforPM]

So you can’t give him away but Seattle would somehow take him in a deal to not take Gio (who you still have to expose)? Right.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So you can’t give him away but Seattle would somehow take him in a deal to not take Gio (who you still have to expose)? Right.

Why not?? If you take Backlund instead of Gio we will give you the rights for Derek Ryan?? Or a 5th?? Happened a bunch of times with Vegas.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Why not?? If you take Backlund instead of Gio we will give you the rights for Derek Ryan?? Or a 5th?? Happened a bunch of times with Vegas.

Yeah, and how did that work out for the other team? And they can get Ryan for free. They have the pre-UFA window to secure him if they want him.

BTW Johnson is a horrible comparison. Dude is paid about 55th and scores well below that level - in the 70s. Backlund is the opposite. Plus in a trade you can retain salary, as opposed to waivers.

Bottom line - if Calgary wanted to lose Backlund, they wouldn’t have talked Lucic into waiving.

[Heavy Jack]

I already agreed to the bottom line and I don’t think CZ was comparing Johnson/Backlund as players he was more comparing the contracts situations and stating that it wouldn’t be so easy to just trade Backlund like you were insinuating.

Also them taking Ryan to take backs instead of Gio would give them a head start on signing Ryan no?? Vegas selected England from us for this very reason.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I already agreed to the bottom line and I don’t think CZ was comparing Johnson/Backlund as players he was more comparing the contracts situations and stating that it wouldn’t be so easy to just trade Backlund like you were insinuating.

Also them taking Ryan to take backs instead of Gio would give them a head start on signing Ryan no?? Vegas selected England from us for this very reason.

Seattle already has a head start on signing UFAs. Not compared to Calgary (vis-a-vis Ryan), but compared to the rest of the league.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

What would it take from Seattle to agree to expose Monahan? Would they have an interest?

They are the one team that gets to design their own roster and cap structure so his AAV shouldn’t be a problem. A rebounding Monahan could be a valuable asset to them.

Hot take. Do you know who a rebounding Monahan would be incredibly valuable to? The Calgary Flames.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Hot take. Do you know who a rebounding Monahan would be incredibly valuable to? The Calgary Flames.

Yeah let’s bring them all back. If Monahan is “incredibly valuable” we’d probably have a few more playoff wins to show for it.

Why wouldn’t you be open to trading Monahan, Mr. hot take.

[Flamesfan05]

Hot take: At the end of 2022, we found Monahan is injured again after a poor season

Actually it already happened 3 times, I am just taking the odd on the bet

[djsFlames]

Both Nordstrom and Ritchie as defacto top 12 forwards would make me puke in my mouth.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Both Nordstrom and Ritchie as defacto top 12 forwards would make me puke in my mouth.

That will be a long commute for Nordstrom.

[Poe969]

If you can trade Backlund, you trade him. You try to get futures or at least an expiring contract but they have to get out from that contract. If Seattle selects him you think of it as a trade for cap space, then try to sign someone to a 1 year deal with that space and trade them at the deadline.

Why do people want to keep so much of this team intact? It isn't a good team. It's not even an ok team. This is a bad team and needs to be changed. The fans seem to fall in love with their own players and think every team should be giving up assets for guys that would likely clear waivers. At this point, i honestly think Backlund would clear waivers but not because he isn't good but because he's 32 and has 3 more years at over 5 million per. He plays on the second line and shouldn't, he's better suited as a third line player. Tampa couldn't give Tyler Johnson away and he's 2 years younger, makes less and is a better player. If you think a team would claim Backlund, tell me who and why because I can't think of a team that would take him. That's why you want Seattle to take him, obviously you shop him and try to get assets for him but I honestly don't think you can. If they take him, try to sign Krijci or another UFA to 1 year deal then trade them for assets then trade Gio at the deadline for assets. Play prospects and try to develop kids, they can't really do much worse than the Flames did this year.

[dissentowner]

You ever click onto CP and the more you read the more you think there are some people on this board that have clearly gone over the edge when it comes to this team?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yeah let’s bring them all back. If Monahan is “incredibly valuable” we’d probably have a few more playoff wins to show for it.

Why wouldn’t you be open to trading Monahan, Mr. hot take.

I'm very open to trading Monahan and any other player on this team. But I'm not going to try and trade a guy to an expansion team who has no assets outside of draft picks in a really sketchy draft. What an absolute waste of a high value asset. And of you're gauging player value on playoff wins, McDavid and Draisaitl would have zero value. I get that people are pissed with the performance of the team, and Monahan had a poor year, but he is still a guy that produces and plays the toughest position up front. If Treliving has him on the market, there will be suitors. You don't have to give him away for nothing to an expansion team in your own division.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You ever click onto CP and the more you read the more you think there are some people on this board that have clearly gone over the edge when it comes to this team?

No, wouldn't have any idea at all what that's like.

[Poe969]

Everyone is available and you listen to all offers. If Seattle offered 2 first round picks and to take whoever we wanted then to in the expansion draft for Monahan, you do it. Monahan had a bad year but he's still a player most teams would like to add but like Backlund, not every team can just add him. Seattle will have the cap space to add most anyone and not have to give back much salary at all if needed. If a team is going to enter a rebuild and wants to trade high priced guys, Seattle will be in the conversation as a trade partner for that reason alone. it is going to be hard to trade players for the next couple of years and when they happen, the return won't likely be what most people expect.