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[DomeFoam]

Originally Posted by Macman

https://twitter.com/user/status/1390159358495891456

Darryl keeping it lite in the end on Francis question.

Darryl: "Its not buffing out the mistakes, 3 of them were from Defensemen with very little experience". So sounds to me like Darryl thinks they already have a ton of inexperience playing on the blue line and hes trying to win games so why would he add more?

Yes I know we're out of the playoffs, but Darryl's not trying to lose games. Thats probably why Kylington still isn't in. He'd be doing this presser after every game with a Valimaki Kylington 3rd pairing.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I would understand playing Nesterov and Stone if this team was 2 or 3 points back and fighting for a spot, but they aren’t. They’re 10 points back.

Those two aren’t part of the future. Neither are guys like Ritchie and Nordstrom. Time to give some kids a shot. At least it would make me want to watch the team again.

Have people here forgotten how Darryl Sutter approaches the game?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Have people here forgotten how Darryl Sutter approaches the game?

That's my concern.

- He was a hire to win now
- Which suggests a re-tool instead of a re-build
- I'm pretty pessimistic that a re-tool will work
- Darryl Sutter doesn't exactly play a skill-based or entertaining game
- I think it's also uncertain if his style will help develop the skill of the team
- I worry about his influence over player selection/evaluation

I know everyone wanted an experienced coach. But I do not think Darryl Sutter is the right coach for where this franchise is. But he's got a 3 year deal so certainly no change is forthcoming.

[Stanley]

At this point I'd prefer Bob Hartley

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That's my concern.

- He was a hire to win now
- Which suggests a re-tool instead of a re-build
- I'm pretty pessimistic that a re-tool will work
- Darryl Sutter doesn't exactly play a skill-based or entertaining game
- I think it's also uncertain if his style will help develop the skill of the team
- I worry about his influence over player selection/evaluation

I know everyone wanted an experienced coach. But I do not think Darryl Sutter is the right coach for where this franchise is. But he's got a 3 year deal so certainly no change is forthcoming.

Yep.

This is gonna be a pretty rough 7-8 years.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That's my concern.

- He was a hire to win now
- Which suggests a re-tool instead of a re-build
- I'm pretty pessimistic that a re-tool will work
- Darryl Sutter doesn't exactly play a skill-based or entertaining game
- I think it's also uncertain if his style will help develop the skill of the team
- I worry about his influence over player selection/evaluation

I know everyone wanted an experienced coach. But I do not think Darryl Sutter is the right coach for where this franchise is. But he's got a 3 year deal so certainly no change is forthcoming.

I wasn't really on board with hiring Sutter, but I could have accepted a "finish the season to see what we have" situation. The three year term is going to lead to exactly what you posted. The organization is painfully slow to accept the reality of what this team is and what teams have to go through to actually contend.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That's my concern.

- He was a hire to win now
- Which suggests a re-tool instead of a re-build
- I'm pretty pessimistic that a re-tool will work
- Darryl Sutter doesn't exactly play a skill-based or entertaining game
- I think it's also uncertain if his style will help develop the skill of the team
- I worry about his influence over player selection/evaluation

I know everyone wanted an experienced coach. But I do not think Darryl Sutter is the right coach for where this franchise is. But he's got a 3 year deal so certainly no change is forthcoming.

I was ready for anyone to come in and take over from Ward and thought Darryl would make a difference and maybe it's me but I'm kind of confused to what he's been trying to do since taking over. His classless comments regarding Gaudreau's 500th game is not the sort of thing you do when you are trying to galvanize a team and preach leadership, accountability, etc. I have no issues with him being hard on younger players but the usage of players like Nesterov that's a pending UFA depth player is strange and even worse when you see him deployed in the powerplay and making mistakes the result in goals against. Coaching to win? Coaching to send messages to players? Pick one but trying to do it all at once is resulting in a mess.

Maybe he's got this mad scientist thing going on that's going to work out and the team will be better next season but right now he seems like a head coach that's a little out of touch with today's NHL.

[dammage79]

I figured Daryll could get a lot more out of them than he has. But I also chalk that up to having no time to actually dig his claws into this roster.

What I am seeing now is a team that's just done. Even with the x's and o's and the work ethic, you can tell they're all just done. What I saw last night was a lot of handling the puck like a grand, passes off of the mark mostly and no flow to their break outs.

And I am personally not a fan of D men standing back and waiting for set break outs. That's where I think Sutter means they don't play fast. The shift changes and transition game are so out of synch .

[MikeMc]

Oh I hope we are starting the conversation about concerns with the coach in Calgary again!

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[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by MikeMc

Oh I hope we are starting the conversation about concerns with the coach in Calgary again!

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You mean the new coach who's record since taking over in is worse than the old coach? I'm pretty sure the owners figured hiring Darryl could turn around the season and get the team into the playoffs and well that didn't really work out as planned. I don't think anyone involved with the team should be left out of the conversation. It's fair to wonder if Darryl is the right coach for the team as it is today and going forward.

[CliffFletcher]

I have a feeling Darryl’s three seasons with the team are going to look a lot like Brent Sutter’s tenure.

[Toonage]

I'm sure turning the season around was a hopeful part of hiring Sutter but I'm also pretty sure they wanted to weed out the players who want to be here from the players who have checked out.

This team core has been through coach after coach, basically running the room as they see fit. Sutter's hiring was two fold and done with a long term vision. I'd almost suggest they saw the season as pretty much a lost cause (even with playoffs, the trust just wasn't there) when Sutter was brought on. Eyes towards the off season and moving forward.

I'm legit surprised that people are turning on Sutter already. He inherited a team that has done almost nothing but disappoint save for the one season (that ended in disappointment lol)

Feels like 2003 to me. Get the lay of the land, make your personnel decisions and come back with a plan and the team to execute it.

[DeluxeMoustache]

One would think the organization would be right ####ed if they think they can fire Darryl after half a season and hire anyone good

It’s already a laughingstock with 5 coaches in 5 years.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I'm legit surprised that people are turning on Sutter already. He inherited a team that has done almost nothing but disappoint save for the one season (that ended in disappointment lol)

Feels like 2003 to me. Get the lay of the land, make your personnel decisions and come back with a plan and the team to execute it.

Not everyone was onboard with the hiring in the first place.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Not everyone was onboard with the hiring in the first place.

True but I feel like I'm seeing people who were all for it turning on it a whole 2 months later at the end of one of the worst season's on record amidst some pretty extreme circumstances.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

One would think the organization would be right ####ed if they think they can fire Darryl after half a season and hire anyone good

It’s already a laughingstock with 5 coaches in 5 years.

Has anyone suggested firing him? The course is set. IMHO it’s a bad course.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I have a feeling Darryl’s three seasons with the team are going to look a lot like Brent Sutter’s tenure.

Darryl has 17 full seasons to his credit as a coach (counting mid season hire in LA). Made playoffs in 15 of them. Now the two misses have occurred in his last three years.

But I'll bet this team scraps its way into the playoffs next year.

Of all the key pieces in place, I have the most confidence in him.

[dammage79]

IMO it's really about what they do with the roster and the draft for next season. Yes they'll trot out the "it's super duper hard to make deals in a flat cap" tripe. And while true for the most part we did see some hockey deals at the deadline. So it's not that hard.

Sutter is going to have a full off season and training camp to get his plan in place. I just hope they have done the work in the offseason to make it succeed.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Has anyone suggested firing him? The course is set. IMHO it’s a bad course.

It would be worse to let Brad Treliving have an on-going say in how to construct the team. Darryl at least has been successful in hockey so there is a reasonable expectation that that could happen again. He may be here at the wrong time in history given the dearth of assets for a re-load, but there is that positive that whatever meagre assets Brad or another GM is able to cobble together from this lean group, Darryl will instill in them basic fundamentals that will hopefully serve them well.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Toonage

True but I feel like I'm seeing people who were all for it turning on it a whole 2 months later at the end of one of the worst season's on record amidst some pretty extreme circumstances.

I think most fans were happy anyone but Ward was coaching the team. I even said as much a few posts up. Darryl would never have been my first choice but he's had success coaching this team in the past even if it was 15 years ago. I really thought he was going to be able to at least bring the team back to an over .500 record to finish this season so it's not like I think he's a bad coach. There's no point in turning on him now as it's pretty clear he won't be going anywhere for a season or two and is more wondering if he's the right fit. Maybe Francis is full of crap but him saying that Darryl is already grating on players is concerning because as much as we would like to blow things up the reality is that a lot of these players will be back next season.