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Manhattanboy · 05-01-2021, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathgod

Might as well name the new building Middling Arena.

That is, if there even will be one...

Ya. I have my doubts.

Ragnar · 05-01-2021, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Well one of the owners told me they are concerned about STH renewals for next year post COVID and that hiring Darryl was a step in that regard.

So no chance of a rebuild then if the owners are worried about season tickets?

Sounds like the 2021-2022 team will be the same group floundering around the playoff bubble once again. Tre (or the new GM) wont get value for these under performers in a player/player hockey trade so I doubt ANY of the core is moved. Won't trade em for futures if season tickets are the priority.

This franchise is going nowhere and it hurts my heart.

dino7c · 05-01-2021, 11:29 PM

Darryl was hired because he is a really good coach that has won two cups and by far the best candidate that would actually take the job

I look forward to his team after a full offseason/training camp to prepare. The team D has done a 180 they need more players that can bury chances

Flames have been outplayed maybe one or two times in the last 10 games

soulchoice · 05-01-2021, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

And I will be happy when he fails in the playoffs again

Indeed, I will as well. However, at least he has an opportunity in the playoffs to fail.

3rd liner · 05-01-2021, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by soulchoice

I don't hate Smith overall, except when he stares at a dman after a goal. But, at least he is backing up his words with intensity and is having an outstanding season so far.

If I was him, I'd be happy to have put a nail in the coffin on a team that let me go two seasons ago as well.

For sure, I’d be happy if I beat my old team too, especially in this situation. But I’d have some class in my response. He’s had an amazing season. But he acts like a pr*** so I hope he falls flat on his face in the playoffs. Couldn’t happen to a bigger punk.

DeluxeMoustache · 05-01-2021, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Darryl was hired because he is a really good coach that has won two cups and by far the best candidate that would actually take the job

I look forward to his team after a full offseason/training camp to prepare. The team D has done a 180 they need more players than can bury chances

Flames have been outplayed maybe one or two times in the last 10 games

Dude, they are 5-5 in their last 10

Moral victories count for ####

Inferno · 05-01-2021, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Well one of the owners told me they are concerned about STH renewals for next year post COVID and that hiring Darryl was a step in that regard.

I'm sure he was brought in to help with that. There would have been alot of pissed off fans had they stuck with Ward all season. Being able to see improvement even it's not wins helps convince people to renew.

But I think when they brought him in they knew it was going to be a tough task in a short season but getting a head start going into next season and knowing what players just aren't going to work under good coaching is what was best for the team.

GioforPM · 05-01-2021, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Savvy27

It is not the same style... you've got some strong opinions for not being able to recognize systems.

Not the same style, maybe, but Sutter and at least two players (Gio and one other) have said at different times that it’s pretty much the same system.

getoverit · 05-01-2021, 11:35 PM

Perimeter play is just so painful to watch. No creativity in this group

GioforPM · 05-01-2021, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by soulchoice

Well, it is inevitable for them to have such an initiation. Unless they don't step on the ice for the next few years. This team built by Treliving and co. is destined to be sad and losing for years to come.

At least at the beginning of the season there’s freshness and hope. Right now they’d step into a bad room IMO.

dino7c · 05-01-2021, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Dude, they are 5-5 in their last 10

Moral victories count for ####

That was kinda my point guy...I said they outplay the other team but can't bury their chances

everything counts when you are evaluating the biggest needs

GioforPM · 05-01-2021, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

This is such a silly comment.

Playing big minutes on bad teams has never been detrimental to development.

Not playing, on the other hand, has.

It’s not the team quality, it’s the team atmosphere I’m concerned about. You can learn a losing attitude (look up north).

3rd liner · 05-01-2021, 11:38 PM

I am worried flames management will write this season off as an anomaly and not change much. Give the core another season. I can’t sit through another season like this.

DeluxeMoustache · 05-01-2021, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

That was kinda my point guy...I said they outplay the other team but can't bury their chances

everything counts when you are evaluating the biggest needs

Oh, you actually think they look better and deserve to win?

Yikes.

Sorry, friend, we aren’t on the same page

That reminds me of an old GG argument

dino7c · 05-01-2021, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Oh, you actually think they look better and deserve to win?

Yikes.

Sorry, friend, we aren’t on the same page

WTF are you talking about...

I said they often control the play but can't bury their chances. Whoever scores the most deserves to win.

context we are talking about the last 10 games...Flames have out chanced and out possessed the other team in almost all of them but only won half...because they can't score

GioforPM · 05-01-2021, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Oh, you actually think they look better and deserve to win?

Yikes.

Sorry, friend, we aren’t on the same page

I’d say that in many games they’ve shown they can be a lot better. I still think they are not good enough. This includes the guys who are playing better. Almost everyone is one line above where they’d play on a good team.

As for tonight, they weren’t good at all. Including the top line aside from one great play.

Ragnar · 05-01-2021, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Darryl was hired because he is a really good coach that has won two cups and by far the best candidate that would actually take the job

I look forward to his team after a full offseason/training camp to prepare. The team D has done a 180 they need more players that can bury chances

Flames have been outplayed maybe one or two times in the last 10 games

Completely agree with the bolded, but thats one piece to this half finished puzzle. The biggest issue is that they have played like

in must win games for the past few seasons now, the core group especially. This is under Peters, Ward and Sutter. This squad have no leadership or guys who can slog through the crap to win us games. I'm not sure how a full offseason to prepare is gonna change that.

Calgary4LIfe · 05-01-2021, 11:42 PM

Sutter did say that he wanted to change the system, but couldn't with the condensed schedule and needing to win so many games. He did say he was going to make tweaks to it, but that the style of play was definitely wrong.

The one positive I have now is that at least Sutter has been here for this stretch, knows the team much better, can provide the feedback to Treliving (or whomever if he is fired), and then he can figure out a system to suit this team and have the time to implement it. Players now know what it is to play under him too, and I am sure they will work their asses off this off-season.

There are silver linings in this.

I also am very happy with the Gaudreau resurgence. I stated in the Bennett threat that Bennett needed players to play with pace - that goes for Gaudreau as well. Tired of seeing him be the first one up and have to do a button-hook trying to wait for players, just to see everyone covered. Gaudreau was at his best while this team was attacking with speed - that's Gaudreau's game - and under Sutter, we are seeing that and Gaudreau is getting much more productive again.

Not a whole lot of silver linings mind you, but definitely some. You have to not be watching the games to not see how much better this team has looked. I am thinking that they will rebound next year - dependent on moves of course (as long as the Flames don't get swindled or the returns are pieces that don't fit this team!).

NewFan · 05-01-2021, 11:48 PM

When I watch Monahan, Tkachuk and Gio it seems like the video is playing with speed 0.5. They look too slow.

1qqaaz · 05-01-2021, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragnar

So no chance of a rebuild then if the owners are worried about season tickets?

Sounds like the 2021-2022 team will be the same group floundering around the playoff bubble once again. Tre (or the new GM) wont get value for these under performers in a player/player hockey trade so I doubt ANY of the core is moved. Won't trade em for futures if season tickets are the priority.

This franchise is going nowhere and it hurts my heart.

I think the Flames could make the playoffs next year and even win a round.
But we'll all know that it'll be an exception rather than the reality.
The Flames will come back to the mediocre equilibrium like they always do.

They're not willing to invest in the future to the extent required to become elite.
They're also not willing to be bad enough to tank or rebuild.

That just leaves mediocrity on a macro-sense. A few years here and there will be exceptions.