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OldSam · 02-17-2021, 10:49 PM

Wow!! Just Wow! No one on the Flames knows what to do or where to go. There doesn't appear to be any positional awareness at all. Just fricking fix it. And don't trade some of the best players we have had in years until they have a real coach.

KootenayFlamesFan · 02-17-2021, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don’t think they trust Bennett to be a full time third line centre even if he had a good game or two with Dube and Lucic. I also think they want to give Lindholm a really long leash at centre.

They may be forced back into Lindholm at RW which would be a little sad, given how much we made fun of Draisaitl having to play with McDavid.

You could be right. But we'll never know if Bennett can handle it if he doesn't get some extended time to prove it. It's not like the team is rolling and we'd screw things up by moving Sam to center.......this team looks not great so might as well try it now. And I'm not even the biggest Bennett fan here, but if he can center that 3rd line this team would be in much better shape.

GioforPM · 02-17-2021, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

I missed most of the third, but I thought Ritchie didn't look out of place on the line with Monahan and Gaudreau. It felt like every time we had sustained pressure, it was that line that got it going. He wasn't pushed off pucks easily, like Lucic, but seemed to be a little faster, and therefore maybe a better match.
Short of bringing in an actual top line rw somehow, I'd be okay seeing that line for another game or two.

Hard to predict though - lots of guys with lesser talent get thrown onto a top line and have a huge energy night but it’s just not sustainable. Robinson did it last year.

Are you saying Lucic is easily pushed off pucks or he’s like Lucic? I think it’s the latter

Infinit47 · 02-17-2021, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I hear where you're coming from but it doesn't solve anything.
It would put us exactly where we've been for 5 years without the #1 centre we need, and Lindholm is becoming.

It may result in a short term improvement but they'd still dissappear in the playoffs (if we made it) and we'd be having the same complaints about Johnny & Monday as every post elimination.

Lindholm as our #1 centre is the best possible scenario for this team.
Breaking that to fix other issues isn't a real fix.

That's fine. But he and Tkachuk do not play well together. They just don't. Leave him and centre and move Tkachuk then.

Ward's idea of coaching is to rotate scrubs along the wing position.

Put Tkachuk on top line RW and see what happens. Make a big decision and be a real coach.

midniteowl · 02-17-2021, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Agreed.

The flames are not good enough to roll 4 lines. This is a 3 line team and they should do that.

Maybe if they are in a position like the leafs or Habs where they are confident in playoffs then you start trying to get your lines into a 4 line attack to prep for postseason hockey but the flames need to win games now just to make playoffs and they need to shorten the bench to do it

Ward's way of shortening the bench is just to double shift Johnny, so Johnny on the first then 2 shifts later he is on the 4th.

When he shorten the bench, he should just rolls 3 lines, then just sprinkle the 4th there every 10 shifts or so.

tvp2003 · 02-17-2021, 10:50 PM

I was thinking before the game — Ward is really putting his neck on the line with these bizarre line combos. Lo and behold, it doesn’t work out. Colour me shocked.

He’s now lost the Winnipeg “series” and the Vancouver “series”. Doesn’t bode well for the rest of the season.

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The only positive thing this season is that there are no fans that spent their hard earned money to watch this #### show in person.

I couldn’t imagine paying money to watch the Flames like this. They would have been booed lustily had there been fans in the stands tonight. Thanks Ward.

zamler · 02-17-2021, 10:51 PM

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Oh please. Criticisms are fine and completely valid at any point IMO.

Posters objected to one of the first replies in a PGT win thread proclaiming they wished we had lost instead. Of course that would get met with criticism.

Then someone else jumped in to justify how little they care for 25+ posts while crying about being censored.

The martyr complex people have here is honestly amazing.

Don't like something about the team? Bring it up, talk about it, justify it. But don't come in talking about preferring the team loses, or ridiculing others for caring or even watching the games to begin with. There's no point to that.

Why can't people just say what they want without being tone policed? I find that more annoying than just about any other posts.

GioforPM · 02-17-2021, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

You could be right. But we'll never know if Bennett can handle it if he doesn't get some extended time to prove it. It's not like the team is rolling and we'd screw things up by moving Sam to center.......this team looks not great so might as well try it now. And I'm not even the biggest Bennett fan here, but if he can center that 3rd line this team would be in much better shape.

I’m not saying I believe he can’t do it. I’m just suspicious that’s what they think. I also think they were banking on a 1A 1B centre because they don't have one elite number 1.

dino7c · 02-17-2021, 10:52 PM

Its weird people who "wished they lost" last game are also mad when they do lose

Can't please some people

zamler · 02-17-2021, 10:53 PM

I am at a loss to understand why this team can't start the game on time.

zamler · 02-17-2021, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Its weird people who "wished they lost" last game are also mad when they do lose

Can't please some people

Who cares.

Mass_nerder · 02-17-2021, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Hard to predict though - lots of guys with lesser talent get thrown onto a top line and have a huge energy night but it’s just not sustainable. Robinson did it last year.

Are you saying Lucic is easily pushed off pucks or he’s like Lucic? I think it’s the latter

Yeah, it could be just a burst of energy getting first line minutes for sure.
I meant that they're both hard to push off the puck, but Ritchie seems to have a little more speed.

dino7c · 02-17-2021, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by zamler

Who cares.

You? or are you here to tell us how much you don't care?

Flame On · 02-17-2021, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Its weird people who "wished they lost" last game are also mad when they do lose

Can't please some people

Why are people (not just you) siting one individual post about wishing they lost? Was there a whole bunch of these or are people overreacting to the impact of one ridiculous post. It's possible you don't like something about the team's make-up but that you also don't wish they lost. Honestly was it more than one post?

zamler · 02-17-2021, 10:56 PM

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You? or are you here to tell us how much you don't care?

Maybe.

8sPOT · 02-17-2021, 10:57 PM

As long as Johnny keeps playing well this season can be salvaged. To me it’s either you’re in contention for a cup or you’re not. This team is not.

So a higher value Johnny is a good thing as long as he’s traded. I’m traumatized with the Iggy trade that was about 4 years late.

Though having Ward as head coach doesn’t help and never did make sense but that’s the Treliving way, all about the process. Well the process ####ing sucks Brad.

GioforPM · 02-17-2021, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Flame On

Why are people (not just you) siting one individual post about wishing they lost? Was there a whole bunch of these or are people overreacting to the impact of one ridiculous post. It's possible you don't like something about the team's make-up but that you also don't wish they lost. Honestly was it more than one post?

There was that one, and a guy supporting him, and it turned into a thing, mostly with he second guy.

tvp2003 · 02-17-2021, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by zamler

I am at a loss to understand why this team can't start the game on time.

It’s almost like the first period is when the coach’s pep talk and reminders about playing the system the right way are most fresh in the players’ minds...

KootenayFlamesFan · 02-17-2021, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I hear where you're coming from but it doesn't solve anything.
It would put us exactly where we've been for 5 years without the #1 centre we need, and Lindholm is becoming.

It may result in a short term improvement but they'd still dissappear in the playoffs (if we made it) and we'd be having the same complaints about Johnny & Mony as every post elimination.

Lindholm as our #1 centre is the best possible scenario for this team.
Breaking that to fix other issues isn't a real fix.

I don't think Lindy is, or ever will be, a #1 center. I think both he and Money are more like 1b type centers. Good, not great. Nothing in Lindy's game shows me he's a 1a center. Not big enough, not offensive enough. There are no 1a centers on this team anywhere. And there are no guarantees this team makes the playoffs, with or without Lindholm at C.

taxbuster · 02-17-2021, 10:59 PM

What possible reason could Ward have had for leaving Marky in to start the third. Flames weren't going to win - that was obvious. Might as well give Rittich all the time possible to get in game speed. To put him in after 8 minutes is a joke.

This coach and this team is beyond lost. They can't start on time, and when they're pushed they can't complete two passes in the offensive zone a lot of the time. Only when they play by instinct are they effective.

I'm off to make more olive sourdough.