The Goaltending Carousel

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Before we crown a guy after two stellar games

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If anything, this gives the Canucks a false prophet.

Let them wander from the light and hope that Markstrom gave them, all to be able to keep a Tofolli.

It could end up badly for them halfway through a season.

[868904]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Vancouver grows goalies the same way Nashville grows defensemen.

Demko would have busted for us and Macdonald would already by now be a Vezina winner.

We chose what we had to choose.

Flames should be making offers to Ian Clark or Mitch Korn that they can’t refuse.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Vancouver grows goalies the same way Nashville grows defensemen.

Demko would have busted for us and Macdonald would already by now be a Vezina winner.

We chose what we had to choose.

There's little doubt that organizationally the Flames have been poor at developing goaltenders. Talbot had a decent bounce back season this year (more due to playing behind a better defense) but otherwise goaltenders have stagnated and not improved under Sigalet. It's relatively cheap to change up the goaltender coach in hopes of improving what has been an organization weak point but for whatever reason Sigalet is a made man in the organization and will be here until Treliving is axed.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah Flames don't develop goalies well and always seem to come out on the wrong side of drafting goalies early - call it the Trevor Kidd curse.

1990:
Flames Trade up to 11 to make Trevor Kidd the first goalie taken in the draft.
New Jersey makes Martin Brodeur the second goalie taken at pick 20.

2000:
Flames take Brett Krahn 9th overall to make him the second goalie selected in the draft, Dipietro (1st overall) and Bryzgalov (44th overall) were the 1st and 3rd goalies selected.

2006:
Flames pick Leland Irving the 26th overall pick in the draft. The goalie taken before Irving was Varlamov (23rd overall), and the Goalie taken after was Neuvirth (34th overall). Weirdly both picked by Washington.

2012:
Flames select Jon Gillies with the 75th overall pick.
Matt Murray (83rd overall) and Frederick Andersen (87th overall) both are taken shortly after him in third round.

2014:
Flames make Mason McDonald the first goalie selected at 34th overall.
Demko (36th overall) is the next goalie off the board to Vancouver.

2016
Flames take Tyler Parsons in the second round as the second goalie off the board.
Carter Hart was taken 8 picks before him in the second round.

So when the Flames end up taking a goalie early it appears we usually end up taking the wrong guy and the guy taken right before or right after the Flames ends up being the better goalie, stemming back to trading up to take Kidd.

Hopefully the curse is broken by the team taking Wolf as the last goalie selected (and 4th last pick overall) when he was in attendance at the 2019 draft.

[dammage79]

If I had a preference for available goalies for the Flames:
1. KORPISALO
2. GEORGIEV
3.MURRAY
4. SHESTYERKIN
5. LEHNER
6. MARKSTROM
7. TALBOT

Surely the Flames can get one of them and Talbot.

Move Rittich.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

For the third playoff in a row, the goalie who started all our playoff games is not our presumptive opening night starter for the following season.

That's not good.

Just like Vegas and Vancouver.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

I think Rittich could still be a good goalie. I think the Flames made a mistake running Talbot as hard as they did. I get why they did it but I'd have rather tried Rittich and then reverted to Talbot if need be ....but we all know the results.
Regardless, either goalie carrying the team on his back ain't cool.
I think we still have hope in Parsons and Wolf in the future. We're as hard on goalies as we are on coaches and management here. ....what a tire fire.

Hopefully we have a short turnaround and have hockey again real soon.....wow what a year.

Flames also have a GM always trying to look for another Miikka Kiprusoff and that's exactly what he's building the team off of - someone who can carry the whole team on his back. The Flames are so weak up front that it shows every year when they're pushed in their own zone, they rely so heavily on the goalies is not funny. They're hemmed in in their own zone running around getting tired. Then, at the end of it all, he gets goalies with near calibres to each other to compete for the #1 position. Competition is nice when it's training camp, but competing within the club to the finish is a different story when the team should be competing for position into the playoffs and then competing for the Cup. Silly way of building the team from the back and neglecting the necessary pieces that'll help with the other aspects of the game. I think most of the winning philosophy is to score more than than the opponent. To do that, it is best to keep the puck as far from your net as much as possible, especially if the puck is 200 feet down on the other end.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Flames also have a GM always trying to look for another Miikka Kiprusoff and that's exactly what he's building the team off of - someone who can carry the whole team on his back...

Wow. This is not what I have seen at all. Rather, it seems pretty obvious to me that the Flames have been trying for a few years now to construct a tandem in net—which is in line with the current trend in the NHL. Have one goalie to start up to 55 games in the regular season, and run with him in the playoffs. Have a fallback guy to start 30 games, and to provide a pressure valve if necessary in the playoffs.


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[Jordan!]

So you guys want Raanta?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

So you guys want Raanta?

I am anti-Raanta.

[MrMike]

What about a year or two with an older guy that has negative value?

Lundqvist
Dubnyk
Rinne

If we can also get an asset for taking on the contract.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by MrMike

What about a year or two with an older guy that has negative value?

Lundqvist
Dubnyk
Rinne

If we can also get an asset for taking on the contract.

I would prefer a year or two with Talbot. I don't see an upgrade in any of these older guys.

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[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by getbak

I am anti-Raanta.

Me too. man is made of glass. He was injured on the bench in the bubble

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

So you guys want Raanta?

He’d be the best goalie we’ve had since Kipper.

...for all 6 games he’d actually play.

[Calgary4LIfe]

The more I delve into goalies, the more unsure I am about who I want the Flames to acquire. I really don't want anything to do with Fleury, however. His playoff meltdowns have been notable, and he has 8 seasons where his numbers fall in the playoffs compared to the regular season.


I will say this though - I still believe that Parsons is very much a blue-chip prospect (with some bad luck), and definitely Wolf is. Maybe people are a bit down on Parsons, but I feel he has what it takes, and I never really felt that way about Gillies (though I liked Ortio - so what do I really know, right?).


I don't know who the Flames should really sign out of the available goalies (Markstrom is my favourite, but will he really be available?), how much it should or shouldn't cost, and if they should or shouldn't spent further assets trying to find one. Parsons is probably at least another season away - maybe more, and perhaps never arrives (Wolf is a couple of seasons back from that, and you don't really know if he will arrive either).



I can only say.... I hope it works this time. I will also say that goaltending, in my opinion, hasn't been an issue during the playoffs at all. Smith gave the Flames a legitimate chance to win the series, and I felt that Talbot has as well. Neither really stole any games, which would have been extremely helpful of course, but I don't think they cost the Flames either like Elliott did. Elliott did not give this team a chance to win, period.

[Classic_Sniper]

The answer in goal for the Flames should’ve been Thatcher Demko. It’s absolutely criminal that they picked Mason Mcdonald over him. His current sv% in the playoffs is 0.990. I’ve honestly never seen a 99% save percentage on a stat sheet before. Just ridiculous.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

The answer in goal for the Flames should’ve been Thatcher Demko. It’s absolutely criminal that they picked Mason Mcdonald over him. His current sv% in the playoffs is 0.990. I’ve honestly never seen a 99% save percentage on a stat sheet before. Just ridiculous.

We would have buried him in the ECHL and traded him for a 7th or let him go to free agency

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Just like Vegas and Vancouver.

And Binnington last year.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

The answer in goal for the Flames should’ve been Thatcher Demko. It’s absolutely criminal that they picked Mason Mcdonald over him. His current sv% in the playoffs is 0.990. I’ve honestly never seen a 99% save percentage on a stat sheet before. Just ridiculous.

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if he was the starter they would have missed the playoffs...lets see how he does over a larger sample size

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If I had a preference for available goalies for the Flames:
1. KORPISALO
2. GEORGIEV
3.MURRAY
4. SHESTYERKIN
5. LEHNER
6. MARKSTROM
7. TALBOT

Surely the Flames can get one of them and Talbot.

Move Rittich.

I haven't been mentioning Shesterkin, because I can't see him being traded-he's on the cusp of being a superstar. If there was a hint of him being available, Tre better back up the truck.