Do the Flames Keep Treliving?

[Red]

Firing Tre for the sake of making someone pay for the team's lack of success is not the best idea.

We don't know how we got here, was he a driving force, scouts ,owners, Conroy?



Whatever happens let's just hope that on ice team personnel and coaching changes are not from the bargain bin anymore. ROR and Mark Stone don't become available that often. Sometimes you have to pay up.



And enough with the experiments like Foo and Czarnik. And Ryan to some degree. You can't have that many tiny players on the team. Size and grit still matter in this league.

[Dan403]

Tre isn't going anywhere.

There will be changes on the ice. Maybe a new coach.

But Tre isn't going anywhere.

[SuperMatt18]

I think Treliving has been an okay GM, like most GMs he's had his good and his bad moves.

My hesitation for firing him is honestly that the ownership group doesn't really have a good track record of hiring GMs. Treliving is probably the second or third best GM in Flames history...that's really saying something.

I'd worry they'd fire Treliving only to go out and hire a guy like a Dale Tallon or something, which would be a disaster.

He's made mistakes, but all young GMs do. And really I think he's actually tried to be honest with himself, has taken accountability for his mistakes, and has tried to learn from those mistakes. Which is more than I can say for most of the "old guard" GMs who seem stubborn and unwilling to admit to an error.

So personally I'd just stick with Treliving.

[Manhattanboy]

I hated his choices as head coach. So did everyone else. Look back at the threads following the hiring of GG and Peters.

I like Tre as a person but he needs to go.

[Willi Plett]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think Treliving has been an okay GM, like most GMs he's had his good and his bad moves.

My hesitation for firing him is honestly that the ownership group doesn't really have a good track record of hiring GMs. Treliving is probably the second or third best GM in Flames history...that's really saying something.

I'd worry they'd fire Treliving only to go out and hire a guy like a Dale Tallon or something, which would be a disaster.

He's made mistakes, but all young GMs do. And really I think he's actually tried to be honest with himself, has taken accountability for his mistakes, and has tried to learn from those mistakes. Which is more than I can say for most of the "old guard" GMs who seem stubborn and unwilling to admit to an error.

So personally I'd just stick with Treliving.

I also think that Treliving is constantly learning, getting more experienced, and making less mistakes and making better decisions with experience. The next days weeks and months will definitely confirm or refute that supporting comment. Does Treliving now see that this core doesn’t have “it” and will he take it apart to a significant enough level to retool it properly. Is he willing to move on from players who while dynamic and capable have not proven an ability to carry the team when it counts most.

And the real unknown? Would ownership let him do what really needs to be done anyway or are his hands half tied?

[GreenLantern2814]

Treliving's coaches have all been various shades of awful.

He's never solved the goaltending issue, though I don't think it was the reason for this post-season flame out or last year's - Talbot and Smith gave the team enough to win.

The best players on the roster have always been Johnny and Monahan. They aren't playoff players. Monahan had the most physically engaged season of his career. He finished hits. He fought the Tenderness. Yet for any other player in the sport, it would be a laughably soft campaign.

Gaudreau bails out at the faceoff dot during puck races.

You can't win with top players that don't have another level to reach when the games get hard.

Maybe there's something to be said for a GM who doesn't take six years to figure out who 13 and 23 are.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by cannon7

If the Predators let Poile go I drop Treliving like a bad habit for him. Even a past his prime Poile is better than Treliving. Let Poile rebuild this mess.

I think Poile is over-rated.

He got Forsberg for Erat, and Forsberg turned into a star. That carried the team a long way. But that was one trade that was gifted to him.

He also traded Jones for Jahansen. He should be fired just for that.

And before that, he packaged Weber for Subban, and he should be fired just for that.

Beyond the trades though, I look at the Preds and I see a boring team that, like the Flames, is deeply flawed in its structure.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

But at the same time, I also see the value in giving Treliving one last shot to see what he does. Some "almost" trades have been good, but they don't count for #### at the end of the day. It's crystal clear that changes need to be made and needs that have existed for a couple of years absolutely need to be filled – now. This offseason isn't about tinkering. Treliving has taken a Feaster/Sutter team and made little changes building around that core, but now is the time for big changes, so I'm fine to see what he does with those.

This is Treliving's core. We can't keep blaming Feaster. Treliving has had almost six years as Flames GM.

[Vinny01]

If he is gone I think Conroy gets the job. I think Treliving deserves to stay and I don’t mind stability at the top.

This team made the playoffs in 5 of 17 years before he got here. He took over after the first year of the rebuild was complete and has guided this franchise to 4 playoff years in 6 seasons. I am ready to give him another go but it is the last chance.

One of my top choices if we went outside the organization would be Hextall

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think Poile is over-rated.

He got Forsberg for Erat, and Forsberg turned into a star. That carried the team a long way. But that was one trade that was gifted to him.

He also traded Jones for Jahansen. He should be fired just for that.

And before that, he packaged Weber for Subban, and he should be fired just for that.

Beyond the trades though, I look at the Preds and I see a boring team that, like the Flames, is deeply flawed in its structure.

Poile is far from perfect. But he's built a team that has advanced to the SCF and deep into playoff rounds multiple times. Which is more than Treliving can claim in his entire career. Plus Poile can build a cap team with the Flames, where he's faced all kinds of ownership limitations with the Preds.

[Enoch Root]

Poile's past his 'best before' date

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Poile's past his 'best before' date

Has been > Never was

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by cannon7

This is Treliving's core. We can't keep blaming Feaster. Treliving has had almost six years as Flames GM.

So, logically everyone older than ~24 is not on Treliving. Guess who let us down in the playoffs?

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

So, logically everyone older than ~24 is not on Treliving. Guess who let us down in the playoffs?

Yep. Nothing Treliving could have done about that in six years...surely a seventh he'll figure it out?

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Yep. Nothing Treliving could have done about that in six years...surely a seventh he'll figure it out?

After getting absolutely curb stomped by the Avs last year, how could anyone have known that swapping Neal for Lucic and Smith for Talbot wasn't the answer to becoming a Stanley Cup team?

[shniper]

I'd like to see Tre make a few big moves this offseason and get at least 2 more seasons. I think we just got unlucky that a couple of our "superstar" players ended up prioritizing partying over hockey.

[ricosuave]

Who is out there that would want this mess

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

After getting absolutely curb stomped by the Avs last year, how could anyone have known that swapping Neal for Lucic and Smith for Talbot wasn't the answer to becoming a Stanley Cup team?

Treliving isn't perfect but he knew it too and tried to use excess D to add to the center core by trading Brodie for Kadri. He can't help it if Kadri wouldn't waive.

There also hasn't been a C of that caliber traded since either so it's not like he missed the boat after that. Plus, Valimaki suffered a season ending injury shortly after that which drastically altered the Dcore going forward.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by cannon7

This is Treliving's core. We can't keep blaming Feaster. Treliving has had almost six years as Flames GM.

Even worse, he bought Peters in, who in my mind set this team back quite a bit.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Azure

Even worse, he bought Peters in, who in my mind set this team back quite a bit.

and that was after he brought in Gulutzan, who set this team back years.

Not to mention the Brouwer signing, then buying out Brouwer to sign Neal. Then trading Neal for Lucic.

Incompetence.