02-18-2020, 11:13 PM
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#81
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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At least he can score on the PP.
5 powerplay goals this season, which is as many as the following players scored combined:
2018-19 James Neal
2017-18 Troy Brouwer
2014-16 Mason Raymond
2016-19 Curtis Lazar
2018-20 Derek Ryan
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02-18-2020, 11:13 PM
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#82
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Oil Stain
I think I subtracted his PP points from his assist total. Carry on. He's awesome. 
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See how wrong you were? He is more than twice as elite as you gave him credit for!! Shame!
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02-18-2020, 11:19 PM
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#83
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Draft Pick
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Losing a guy like Looch would definitely suck, but at this point in his career the 5.25 mil that would be freed up would definitely be an asset. Having a leader and motivator like him is definitely a huge pro but we need young guns to put points on the board
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02-18-2020, 11:20 PM
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#84
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
At least he can score on the PP.
5 powerplay goals this season, which is as many as the following players scored combined:
2018-19 James Neal
2017-18 Troy Brouwer
2014-16 Mason Raymond
2016-19 Curtis Lazar
2018-20 Derek Ryan
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Other than Ryan that is a depressing who's who.
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02-18-2020, 11:21 PM
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#85
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
Vancouver would never make that trade. Ferland is a likely LTIR candidate whose contract would be covered by insurance. Flames would have to add to the trade to get it done.
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Well, that’s just fortuitous though and a quirk of the NHL rules, Vancouver was very foolish to sign Ferland who was clearly finished as a player. Whereas once Calgary had made the mistake with Neal, this was probably the best way out and he has clearly been superior to Neal from Calgary’s standpoint. Neal was a big zero and indeed may not even fulfil the minimum requirements of the deal.
Again, I’ll stand by my comments, I like the player and he is fun to watch.
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02-18-2020, 11:37 PM
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#86
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Franchise Player
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I actually think that Neal was worse than a zero for Calgary last year. IIRC, all the metrics pointed to Neal dragging everyone down he played with. Lucic is at least a decent player 5v5, though unproductive until recently.
If Lucic keeps playing the way he is, I think he will experience a bit of a resurgence here, especially in the playoffs. He needs to play angry and aggressive. I thought he was too composed outside out of a few instances for the first half of the season. When players like him are more emotionally engaged in a game, I think they are more productive, so I hope he keeps it up as he could be an important cog to the playoffs sort of in the way that Simon was for the Flames in '04.
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02-18-2020, 11:38 PM
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#87
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by CGY12
I completely disagree. I'm not a fan of the way the team is currently constructed but I have seen value and a change in opponents behaviour when Lucic is on our side. Now does that mean he's worth the price of admission? No, but to dismiss it and mention names like Ferland and Hathaway offering the same type of presence is completely inaccurate IMO. The Flames were the softest team in the league the last couple years. Also them not translating it onto the scoresheet has nothing to do with that and everything to do with who are actual top guys are.
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It’s really hard to quantify Lucic’s impact as a nuclear deterrent. One thing I have noticed is that it seems like the Flames have been in a lot less fights. Aside from Tkachuk where two of his fights were against Oilers, there really hasn’t been a whole lot.
Bennett fought a lot last year and Hamonic has in years prior. A lot of their fights were sticking up for their teammates after bad hits. Neither of those guys have even fought this year. I can’t think of very many bad hits against the Flames this year. Only one that comes to mind is the Dunn hit on Mangiapane which Rinaldo came in right away. Even that hit was really Mangiapane putting himself in a bad position.
With the exception of Kassian on Tkachuk, no one has really messed with Flames players this year. You can also argue that the Kassian - Tkachuk incident was started by Chucky with the hits.
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02-18-2020, 11:39 PM
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#88
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Something I find interesting about Lucic is that he has already equalled his goal total and is just two shots shy of his total from last season despite having played 23 fewer games this year and not a huge discrepancy in ATOI (only a six-second difference).
That, to me, suggests a player in a more favourable situation, likely spurred in part by lessened expectations.
Furthermore, Lucic is ninth on the Flames in goalscoring this year. Neal was 14th on the Flames last year.
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02-19-2020, 02:47 AM
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#89
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RANDOM USER TITLE CHANGE
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: South Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Other than Ryan that is a depressing who's who.
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Definitely not wizardry.
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02-19-2020, 09:18 AM
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#90
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Franchise Player
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Lucic needs 2 points to equal the amount of points Neal had for us last year. In every other metric, Lucic has probably blown it out of the water for what Neal brought to this team last year.
Lucic hasn't been too bad since the calendar flipped (Oilers games aside). Still not making what he is worth, but 8 points in 19 games is a decent stretch. He has been a bit mostly ornery in that stretch, which I think is a good sign.
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02-19-2020, 09:31 AM
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#91
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Franchise Player
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Lucic certainly didn't seem to care much for Peters.
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A day after his powerful interview on Hockey Night in Canada, Lucic was asked what shifted for him. How was he able to turn things around? How did he start having fun again? Why didn’t he walk away from the game for good?
He didn’t mince words.
“A coaching change,” he said. “I think the relationship I had from the start with Gio (Mark Giordano) and Monny (Sean Monahan). My family, too; my wife (Brittany) and kids (Valentina, Nikolina and Milan Jr.). All that type of stuff. You kind of look at yourself and you want to leave them with a good memory of hockey, not a bad one, right? Because it is such a positive thing. It’s been such a great, positive thing in my life. But when you’re not having fun and all that type of stuff, it doesn’t matter how much money you make. When you’re not having fun and you’re not enjoying going to the rink, it’s not a fun place to be.”
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After also mentioning how no one talked to him about his benching and how frustrating that was, I think it's a pretty clear shot at Peters.
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02-19-2020, 10:02 AM
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#92
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
Lucic certainly didn't seem to care much for Peters.
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After also mentioning how no one talked to him about his benching and how frustrating that was, I think it's a pretty clear shot at Peters.
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No matter what style you like in a coach, this is clearly wrongheaded. It's been mentioned by a number of players too, so coaches are still doing it.
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02-19-2020, 10:14 AM
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#93
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: In the studio
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oil Stain
I think I subtracted his PP points from his assist total. Carry on. He's awesome. 
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Yea also reading your quote above I have to disagree with your not a useful player take. He’s throwing close to 3 hits per game for us and they are not of the small variety; points aside (has matched his 79 game total for goals last year in 59 games and is 3 assists back of his 14 last year) Lucic has clearly added an element this team has sorely been missing and it’s been more than noticeable. In fact the two games against Edmonton where this trait wasn’t noticeable speaks to the fact just how much of an impact Milan has had on this team.
I don’t miss the lazy fly by’s Neal constantly performed here, the controller disconnect on the back check, the pouting when playing on the third line, the pouting during the playoffs and the brutal misses on coverage and defensive responsibilities in game 4 that lead to him riding the press box in an elimination game.
I haven’t a doubt in my mind that Lucic provides more dividends and intangibles to this team than Neal had/would have provided us. If the whole team hadn’t taken a massive step backwards offensively this year I think it’s even more defined just how much Lucic provides to this team.
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02-19-2020, 10:37 AM
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#94
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
No matter what style you like in a coach, this is clearly wrongheaded. It's been mentioned by a number of players too, so coaches are still doing it.
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I concur. Shortening the bench to try to make a comeback is one (valid) thing, but the players should have the logic explained to them and the confidence instilled to know that they have a chance to be part of the comeback based on their play in a given game. That's only fair.
I can imagine some of our other oft-marginalized guys - Czarnik, Bennett, Jankowski, Rieder, Dube, Frolik, and Neal last year - weren't too happy with Peters' draconian behaviour.
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02-19-2020, 10:44 AM
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#95
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Oil Stain
I think I subtracted his PP points from his assist total. Carry on. He's awesome. 
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Not the point, but simply correcting a factual error, by a factor of over double.
I am really wondering where all the dickishness is coming from these days. Maybe I am just more sensitive to it as well, but what about a response like:
"I think I subtracted his PP points from his assist total. That does not change the bulk of my point, as I don't think he is overly valuable 5on5" instead of such a dick response.
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02-19-2020, 10:58 AM
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#96
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
At least he can score on the PP.
5 powerplay goals this season, which is as many as the following players scored combined:
2018-19 James Neal
2017-18 Troy Brouwer
2014-16 Mason Raymond
2016-19 Curtis Lazar
2018-20 Derek Ryan
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Imagine if he had tons of time on a #1 PP like Edmonton's with McAvi and Raisaitl. He'd have at least 12 PPG by now, probably more.
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02-19-2020, 11:14 AM
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#97
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarongavey
Vancouver would never make that trade. Ferland is a likely LTIR candidate whose contract would be covered by insurance. Flames would have to add to the trade to get it done.
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Not guaranteed to be insured, the player gets paid but it usually is just the team paying, like Horton from Columbus/Toronto:
The NHL's insurance plan insures player contracts for seven years, and "beyond that, if the player gets hurt, the team is on the hook for the full amount of his contract," according to Luke DeCock of the Raleigh NEWS & OBSERVER. As part of the plan, which the NHL purchases through New York-based insurance broker BWD Group, NHL teams are "required to insure a handful of players through a 'temporary total disability' program administered by the league." Each team "pays a premium based on the salaries of its five highest-paid players, but is free to allocate that coverage how it wishes." NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly said that "typically, a team will extend coverage to as many as seven players." Insurance coverage "kicks in when a player misses at least 30 games," and insuring a player under the league program "costs about 5[%] of his salary." But Hurricanes GM Jim Rutherford said, "When you get to a certain dollar amount, the premiums keep skyrocketing. I wish it was easier to get each (player) insured, but we can't do that." DeCock noted individual teams "are free to pursue additional coverage, but the heavy premiums make it a losing proposition." Rutherford said that "seeking private insurance to cover a longer deal is prohibitively expensive."
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02-19-2020, 11:17 AM
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#98
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Oil Stain
I think I subtracted his PP points from his assist total. Carry on. He's awesome. 
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Now do Neal even strength points.
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02-19-2020, 11:19 AM
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#99
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Beatle17
Now do Neal even strength points. 
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12 of his 29 points are even strength.
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02-19-2020, 11:24 AM
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#100
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden
12 of his 29 points are even strength.
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Thank you for the response. So 2 more points than Lucic and he spends half his time on a line with McDavid, so not too good.
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