[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames have interest in Toffoli (and other RHS top 6 forwards)

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Lindholm us underpaid. I'd rather have Myers than Hanafin right now.
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[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by Since1984

Jankowski + 3rd round pick for Toffoli

Bennett for Josh Anderson

Trades done, everyone rejoices

Why not just play Bennett in the top 6? He and Anderson have similar styles.

Jankowski to Stockton.

Rinaldo to waivers.

2nd for Toffoli.

Conditional 3rd for Anderson (turns into a 2nd in 2021 if he hits certain milestones).

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Rob Blake and Jarmo Kekalainen laugh and hang up the phone

I think Bennett for Josh Anderson straight across is probably a deal Columbus makes, but it sure doesn't look like a good deal for Calgary.

Anderson is a coattail rider.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

I agree, my point is so perfect that we can just shut the door on this conversation. Thank you for the support, Wolfman.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I think Bennett for Josh Anderson straight across is probably a deal Columbus makes, but it sure doesn't look like a good deal for Calgary.

Anderson is a coattail rider.

Sure that deal is close, but the LA one doesn't get a sniff.

[Since1984]

Anderson is a big bodied RHS RW that has proven he can score when playing with skilled linemates. Bennett has not. I love what Bennett brings bit you need to deal from a position of strength to fill a position of weakness.

We are easily more balanced with Anderson or Toffoli than we are with Bennett.

[Mattman]

Yes to Toffoli
Yes to Kapanen
Maybe to Anderson

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

What about getzlaf? He's a RH shot and could you imagine the prickly trio of Tkachuk getlzaf Bennett???


Tkachuk - Getzlaf- Bennett
Johnny - Monahan - Lindholm
Dube - Backlund - Mangiapane
Lucic - Ryan - Rieder

Why do people keep putting Bennett on any of the top two lines? He is a decent 3rd or 4th line player, that's it.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I agree, my point is so perfect that we can just shut the door on this conversation. Thank you for the support, Wolfman.

I think it's more that Flames fans really don't care about Tyler Myers or anyone trying to compare a 29 year old defenseman to a 22 year old defenseman in any way.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

What about getzlaf? He's a RH shot and could you imagine the prickly trio of Tkachuk getlzaf Bennett???

I was beating this drum a few days ago. I think ha Getzlaf would be a good fit. Not sure if the Ducks would want to, or be able to trade him though.

[The Fonz]

Bennett doesn't have the hockey sense, hands, or shooting ability to play in the top 6. He's a 3rd line, hard-nosed player, that will elevate his game in the playoffs.

Not the kind of player you want to draft 4th overall, but still the type of player you need if you want to win.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Mattman

Yes to Toffoli
Yes to Kapanen
Maybe to Anderson

No to trades around the edges. Toffoli doesn't move the needle....waste of a pick if they move it for him. This team isn't good enough.

Anderson is someone worth a trade though.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Since1984

Anderson is a big bodied RHS RW that has proven he can score when playing with skilled linemates. Bennett has not...

...when given 6 minutes every few weeks to play on his off wing with the big boys

Bennett has been treated as a utility player to fill whatever short term gap this team has. IMO he is simply a LW. For some reason it’s okay for Gaudreau and Lucic and many other players in the league to be accepted as single position players, but not Bennett.

The Lindholm C trial is going very well. Knowing he works at C is vital info for the future of this team. The next thing I’d love to see is Bennett-Monahan-Gaudreau for 10 games. Give Johnny time to figure out new angles on his off wing, and let Bennett focus on what he does best.

Play Backlund with Jankowski. Maybe he gets off the snide. Maybe he doesn’t. Either way, it will give more valuable insight than plopping Bennett and Janko out together by default.

The best/worse case scenario of Toffoli is that he sparks this team to an another brief illusion of success before reverting to Brouwer v3.0 after he signs a silly extension



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[Erick Estrada]

I would only be okay with Toffoli if the acquisition cost is low. As some others have said I don't think he's going to move the needle one would expect if the price is a 2nd round pick +. This is not a once elite player that's hit a rough patch. He's always been a middle of the lineup player that's not going to set the league on fire with a change of scenery.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

What’s a B level prospect for Calgary? Gawdin? Phillips? Emilio?

I would rank Valimaki and Pelletier as 'A'. That said, some people (Corey Pronman specifically) think that Emilo-Petterson is the Flames best prospect so maybe he is an 'A' guy in the Flames books.

'B' would be Gawdin, Phillips, and maybe Zavgrodniy


IMO every other prospect is a C or lower, unfortunately.

[bax]

I think the Flames need to do something at the deadline. If that’s Toffoli then so be it. I’m not 100% sold on him, but for the right price he can help.

At some point Treliving needs to send a message to this team by adding a significant piece at the deadline that he’s on board with them and is willing to help. Our team isn’t perfect, but they deserve the opportunity to bring in some help and see how far they can go. Ideally this would have been Hall, but what can you do.

Enough of standing pat and adding 7th defenseman at the deadline.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

...when given 6 minutes every few weeks to play on his off wing with the big boys

Bennett has been treated as a utility player to fill whatever short term gap this team has. IMO he is simply a LW. For some reason it’s okay for Gaudreau and Lucic and many other players in the league to be accepted as single position players, but not Bennett.

The Lindholm C trial is going very well. Knowing he works at C is vital info for the future of this team. The next thing I’d love to see is Bennett-Monahan-Gaudreau for 10 games. Give Johnny time to figure out new angles on his off wing, and let Bennett focus on what he does best.

Play Backlund with Jankowski. Maybe he gets off the snide. Maybe he doesn’t. Either way, it will give more valuable insight than plopping Bennett and Janko out together by default.

The best/worse case scenario of Toffoli is that he sparks this team to an another brief illusion of success before reverting to Brouwer v3.0 after he signs a silly extension



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I'm afraid the logic doesn't quite work. Gaudreau is a "single position player". Also Bennett is a guy who can only play LW (though unlike Gaudreau, he played a different position in jr.). In order to play Bennett with good linemates, you have to move Gaudreau off of LW and on to a position he never plays.

Bennett-Monahan-Gaudreau would be terrible. Bennett and Gaudreau turn the puck over a lot, and while Monahan is working on his defensive game, he doesn't have the speed to cover for blue line turnovers by his wingers.

This seems to me to be an effort to prop up Bennett rather than improve the team overall. I think Bennett can be a third line LW. I still think maybe he could be a bottom 6 C, though a lot would have to happen. If a RW is found, you can play Bennett and Jankowski (or whoever) on either side of Backlund, who for all his recent problems, has some offensive ability, and see what happens.

[mrdonkey]

This organization has done two things pretty consistently:

1. cement themselves as a forgettable, middle-of-the-pack team, and
2. Trade away top 60 picks for players who don’t move the needle.

I wonder if they go hand in hand?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

This organization has done two things pretty consistently:

1. cement themselves as a forgettable, middle-of-the-pack team, and
2. Trade away top 60 picks for players who don’t move the needle.

I wonder if they go hand in hand?

I agree with yo that they should only make any trade if the price is right, and this might not be the best year to trade picks. Still, why so negative? They've beaten to Oilers twice. The Flames have gone 7-3-0 in their last ten. They are tied for top spot in the Pacific, and they are top ten in the NHL right now. The team is trending to make the playoffs in back to back years for the first time since 2009. Lots to be happy about, even if the Flames had struggled to score, or win a playoff series haha.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Why do people keep putting Bennett on any of the top two lines? He is a decent 3rd or 4th line player, that's it.

Tkachuk-Getzlaf-Bennett

I put Bennett on the ####### line because that's the way he plays. The third player on a line is a compliment as much as anything else. Who on the flames would compliment Tkachuk and Getzlaf better than Bennett? Hard on the body, fast skater, willing to grind it out, gets under everyone's skin.

Honestly, imagine a top line of any team in the league playing that trio in the playoffs. For seven straight games. It would be a nightmare