Nov 20. Friedman's 31 Thoughts: Flames not interested in selling low on Gaudreau

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

To be frank, I blame this GM for entire fall of this year's team result.

A team struggled since the all star break, got their ass kicked in the playoffs. I don't care that you tried but failed due to things like player NtC's, etc.

Flames were a top team at the deadline, the GM does nothing but add a #6/7 dman at the deadline.

Team gets whooped in a laughable manner, and the GM trades Neal for Lucic, and adds Talbot.

What message does that share with the roster??? It's all good enough? We don't actually intend to win anything meaningful, let's just hope for regular season success??

Treliving is kind of an idiot. It's clear he's got zero people management skills whatsoever. I get that he tried to make moves, but there's gotta be plan B's to allow for change for the sake of making change to a group that got their ass kicked.

Management basically telling the team "we're going with you, you'll do it" despite the players realizing the team ain't close to getting it done come crunch time, is equivalent to saying "meh, it's good enough, just get to the playoffs again". Not to mention having your intended trades leaked, so when they don't go thru, you are stuck with players knowing they aren't even wanted here.

The more I write it out, the more I realize that Brad Treliving is a dumb gm. Good riddance, you f'ing suck man. Go make pizza's or something, this isn't a gig for you.

This might be the worst, most ill-informed opinion I have read around here in the last few weeks, and that's saying something. That last paragraph alone is incredibly cringeworthy. Yeesh.

You blame the GM for the entire team's performance? The same team that was 2nd in the entire league last year? He's an idiot for saying, "we're going with this group that got us to 2nd overall last year"? Even though he didn't and tried to tinker with the roster in several different ways? He has ZERO people management skills? What exactly are you basing this on?

Listen, you have the right to rant as an upset fan, but let's try not to create a false narrative here. Let's stick to the facts.

[Saqe]

I do remember Treliving doing helluva sales job last trade deadline. How he was "sipping on a cold beer in the evening" and liking the group going into to the playoffs, even though he tried to get an upgrade. Lol.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I do remember Treliving doing helluva sales job last trade deadline. How he was "sipping on a cold beer in the evening" and liking the group going into to the playoffs, even though he tried to get an upgrade. Lol.

What did you expect? For Treliving to come out, publicly, and say he didn't like his team?....come on man.

What's your point?

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by TOfan

What did you expect? For Treliving to come out, publicly, and say he didn't like his team?....come on man.

What's your point?

That it was a gross sales job and I don't appreciate bull####.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Saqe

That it was a gross sales job and I don't appreciate bull####.

Why was it BS? What were the Flames at that time? 15-20 games over .500? He tried to make them even better, which is his job.

In your mind, what do you was the right way for him to handle himself? (This should be good).

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Saqe

That it was a gross sales job and I don't appreciate bull####.

So you prefer he say he got screwed on a deal by Fenton at the last minute and wasn’t convinced Stone would re-sign and didn’t want to risk an asset like Valimaki on a rental?

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Saqe

That it was a gross sales job and I don't appreciate bull####.

Welcome to professional sports. You think any GM is going to publicly lay out his plans for everyone to hear or see?

[Saqe]

He could've said nothing. Or something irrelevant. But who chose to lube up the fans, I can't believe some of you guys are ok with his bs.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Saqe

He could've said nothing. Or something irrelevant. But who chose to lube up the fans, I can't believe some of you guys are ok with his bs.

Dude, he is the GM of an NHL team. His job IS TO SAY SOMETHING publicly on trade deadline day. He doesn't get to just say 'we're ok' or 'we're not ok' and leave.

Do you even know what you want? Isn't 'sipping on a beer' irrelevant?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by RM14

Jankowski was drafted as a high skill offensive talent. The Flames are trying to teach him to play mainly PK and manage situations in the bottom 6. That's is not an easy transition.

I disagree with this statement. Very few players are allowed to come into the league and be good “one dimensional” players. They need to play a 200 foot game. And just because he doesn’t play top 6 doesn’t mean he isn’t allowed to use high skill offensive talents. This is the NHL. Everyone needs to play a 200 foot game to a certain degree or they and their line mates will be exposed for lack of defensive abilities.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Most GMs get one coaching hire, not 2

Not only that, he fired the Jack Adams winner for Gully

Just saying

Yeah, Jack Adams coaches never get fired. IMO the evidence that Hartley is not a good coach is in the job offers he has had since leaving.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yeah, Jack Adams coaches never get fired. IMO the evidence that Hartley is not a good coach is in the job offers he has had since leaving.

lol yeah no kidding, Hartley was such an amazing coach that he's coached 0 NHL games since being fired in Calgary almost 4 years ago.

[kukkudo]

Well, let's see Playflair, Keenan, B Sutter, Hartley, GG never got head coaching positions after they left the Flames. Could Peters be next in line?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Well, let's see Playflair, Keenan, B Sutter, Hartley, GG never got head coaching positions after they left the Flames. Could Peters be next in line?

If Peters were to be canned he would not land another NHL head job IMO.

[EM11]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If Peters were to be canned he would not land another NHL head job IMO.

agree

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I don't think any disagrees that a lot of blame goes to Treliving.

Can the Flames make the playoffs? Yes.
But if they miss, Treliving is probably gone, rightfully so...

I disagree. Canadian NHL orgs tend to be way too impatient in regards to team building. Treliving has done a lot of good things to move the Flames toward Cup contention. If it were up to me I would choose to have him see this through: It took first George MacPhee and then Brian MacLellan 20-years and six coaches to build a Cup winner. It took Doug Armstrong ten years and five. Treliving should certainly get more than five years unless he is actively impeding the team's direction, and I don't see that happening here.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I disagree. Canadian NHL orgs tend to be way too impatient in regards to team building. Treliving has done a lot of good things to move the Flames toward Cup contention. If it were up to me I would choose to have him see this through: It took first George MacPhee and then Brian MacLellan 20-years and six coaches to build a Cup winner. It took Doug Armstrong ten years and five. Treliving should certainly get more than five years unless he is actively impeding the team's direction, and I don't see that happening here.

Plus didn't they just extend him?

If the owners are going to tie a can to the GM for going through coaches, they'd have themselves to blame for paying two GMs for three plus years.

So by theory, if they won't want to pay two coaches ... Treliving is safe.

(as he should be)

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I disagree. Canadian NHL orgs tend to be way too impatient in regards to team building. Treliving has done a lot of good things to move the Flames toward Cup contention. If it were up to me I would choose to have him see this through: It took first George MacPhee and then Brian MacLellan 20-years and six coaches to build a Cup winner. It took Doug Armstrong ten years and five. Treliving should certainly get more than five years unless he is actively impeding the team's direction, and I don't see that happening here.

Sure and people have done it in shorter time too.

IMO the standard for the GM should be more than not "actively impeding the team's direction".

I find it hard to evaluate a GM because we don't really hear their true vision or strategic direction and we really have no idea what their go forward plan is. From the outside in, appears Treliving has gone all in on this team's core to this point. Thus far, it worked for a 60 game stretch in the last regular season.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Karl

I think he has.

He's been consistently the worst player on the ice in most games the Flames have played this year.

He really has been that awful with very few exceptions this year. There's no getting around that.

Not what I’ve seen in the game I’ve watched. Of course I believe players must be analyzed based on expectations. You aren’t expecting the same out of Monahan vs Jankowski.

Who’s been the worst Flame adjusted for expectations? Gaudreau and it’s not even close. Jankowski has been meh. Focusing on him is totally misplaced. This teams fortunes are not massively affected by our 4th line centre.

Can’t believe how fixated some of you people are on Jankowski. The team’s problems are not due to having Jankowski at 4th line centre

[Stanley]

I generally like what Tre has done but there's a few things I didn't like at all:
- too much to give up for Hamonic
- James fking Neal....like really, no one scouted this guy's one dimensional play? Geezus
- Frolik still on the roster. I know he tried and a deal fell through - but his value is even worse now.
- Trading with the Oilers/Lucic - NO! NO! NO!