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Old 11-23-2019, 09:18 AM   #81
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Hard to change the core mid season. Fire Peters and take the new coach performance boost.

Let Huska or Gelinas take over and see what happens.

If they miss, fire BT after the Flames are eliminated. Let new guy hire coaches and change the roster.

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Old 11-23-2019, 03:23 PM   #82
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Billy Beane : Art, you got a minute?

Art Howe : Yeah. Take a seat.

Billy Beane : You can't start Backlund at centre tonight. You'll have to start Lindholm.

Art Howe : Yeah, I don't want to go fifteen rounds, Tre. The lineup card is mine, and that's all.

Billy Beane : That lineup card is definitely yours. I'm just saying you can't start Backlund at centre.

Art Howe : Well, I am starting him at centre.

Billy Beane : I don't think so. He plays for Detroit now.

Art Howe : You *traded* Backlund?

Billy Beane : Yeah. And Ryan, Jankowski, Bennett are all being sent down.

Art Howe : You are outside your mind.

Billy Beane : Yeah. ####oo.

Jeremy Giambi : [knocking on door] You wanted to see me?

Billy Beane : Yeah, Travis, grab a seat.

[Hamonic sits down]

Billy Beane : Travis, you've been traded to the Phillies. This is Chuck Fletcher's number. He's a good guy, he's the GM. He's expecting your call. Buddy will help you with the plane flight. You're a good defenseman, Travis, and we wish you the best.

[Hamonic sighs, and exits]

Billy Beane : Hamonic's gone, too.

Art Howe : [shaking his head in disbelief] You're killing this team.
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Old 11-23-2019, 04:02 PM   #83
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Billy Beane : Art, you got a minute?



Art Howe : Yeah. Take a seat.



Billy Beane : You can't start Backlund at centre tonight. You'll have to start Lindholm.



Art Howe : Yeah, I don't want to go fifteen rounds, Tre. The lineup card is mine, and that's all.



Billy Beane : That lineup card is definitely yours. I'm just saying you can't start Backlund at centre.



Art Howe : Well, I am starting him at centre.



Billy Beane : I don't think so. He plays for Detroit now.



Art Howe : You *traded* Backlund?



Billy Beane : Yeah. And Ryan, Jankowski, Bennett are all being sent down.



Art Howe : You are outside your mind.



Billy Beane : Yeah. ####oo.



Jeremy Giambi : [knocking on door] You wanted to see me?



Billy Beane : Yeah, Travis, grab a seat.



[Hamonic sits down]



Billy Beane : Travis, you've been traded to the Phillies. This is Chuck Fletcher's number. He's a good guy, he's the GM. He's expecting your call. Buddy will help you with the plane flight. You're a good defenseman, Travis, and we wish you the best.



[Hamonic sighs, and exits]



Billy Beane : Hamonic's gone, too.



Art Howe : [shaking his head in disbelief] You're killing this team.
You must have some good weed up there.

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Old 11-23-2019, 11:01 PM   #84
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What is Bill Peters?
Billy "Babcock" Peters according to Mike Commodore.

That clarifies the events as of late to me.
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Old 11-23-2019, 11:13 PM   #85
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Can someone please clarify this bill 'Babcock' peters thing for me??
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Old 11-23-2019, 11:20 PM   #86
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Can someone please clarify this bill 'Babcock' peters thing for me??
Peters was an assistant coach with Babcock in Detroit when Commodore was there.
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Old 11-23-2019, 11:21 PM   #87
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Can someone please clarify this bill 'Babcock' peters thing for me??
Commodore was talking about Babcock in general and I think about James Neal perhaps and said “Bill(y) “Babcock” Peters” in passing without elaborating much further

I’d have to find the interview to get the exact sentence but it was a statement with an implication, but not fully realized, as I recall
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Old 11-23-2019, 11:28 PM   #88
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See post #92
Yo'll need to set aside about 25 minutes to watch the video.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...=176676&page=5
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Old 11-23-2019, 11:30 PM   #89
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Maybe Babcock and Peters were picked on as kids.
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Old 11-24-2019, 05:14 PM   #90
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Commodore was talking about Babcock in general and I think about James Neal perhaps and said “Bill(y) “Babcock” Peters” in passing without elaborating much further

I’d have to find the interview to get the exact sentence but it was a statement with an implication, but not fully realized, as I recall
Considering how much he hates Babcock calling Peters "Billy Babcock Peters" is likely insinuates that he's a clone of Mike as I don't think he would label a guy he likes "Babcock".
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Old 11-24-2019, 06:27 PM   #91
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Didn’t Peters once work as an assistant coach with Babcock?
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Old 11-24-2019, 09:02 PM   #92
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Didn’t Peters once work as an assistant coach with Babcock?
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Old 11-24-2019, 09:19 PM   #93
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See post #92
Yo'll need to set aside about 25 minutes to watch the video.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...=176676&page=5
Or jump to 16:00 (for the start of them sitting him and why he had no business being thrown on the ice by peters) here:



Billy Babcock Peters at 18:45, but you should listen to that story from 16:00 for full context of how dumb it was to toss him on the ice.

Bonus:
12:55 for the Mike Modano story.

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Old 11-25-2019, 12:19 AM   #94
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Peters was an assistant under Babcock in Spokane with the chiefs and took over as head coach 5 years after Babcock moved to the NHL. He wouldn't have brought Peters to the NHL if they didn't have similar philosophies.

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Old 11-25-2019, 12:22 AM   #95
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All of the Peters=Babcock talk worries me. If you look around the team at the players who are having no fun out there, it's Johnny, Frolik and now maybe Gio. I really hope that mind games arn't being played.

There was always this underlying suggestion that there was a fallout between players leading to a lack of chemistry. Maybe it's something else.

I don't want to start a conspiracy theory, but... well, there's one.
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Lol, that Commodore interview is awesome.
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All of the Peters=Babcock talk worries me. If you look around the team at the players who are having no fun out there, it's Johnny, Frolik and now maybe Gio. I really hope that mind games arn't being played.

There was always this underlying suggestion that there was a fallout between players leading to a lack of chemistry. Maybe it's something else.

I don't want to start a conspiracy theory, but... well, there's one.
I remember being somewhat worried when after the trade for Lindholm and Hanifin both didn't seem very excited during interviews about being re-united, I think Lindholm said "kind of cool" but not really a wonderful type of endorsement from either player. I hope this isn't the case but Johnny,Mony and others look like someone is repeatedly kicking there dogs.
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Old 11-25-2019, 09:26 AM   #98
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Might also explain why Neal wanted out so badly.
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Might also explain why Neal wanted out so badly.
The Flames wanted Neal out more than the opposite. Though by the time it happened he was likely wanting it too. But all his post-trade comments are rationalizations IMO.
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Old 11-25-2019, 10:02 AM   #100
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What is about most coaches (particularly NHL/hockey generally) that the default position of their personality is ###hole?

Were they insecure as kids, bullied, unsuccessful? For the most part these guys strike me as inarticulate, certainly not very bright.

What is with the constant f-bomb dropping bully type (see for eg. the HBO series Road to the Winter Classic where Bruce Boudreau could not string a sentence together unless it was full of expletives)?

Does being a ####head motivate players to excel? Because if I had a boss like that I would be out of here before the end of the day.
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