How good is Rasmus Andersson?

[GreenLantern2814]

Brodie has been the 2nd best defenseman on the team from the day Bouwmeester was traded. He can skate stride for stride with the other team's best players, he's an elite shot suppressor, he can lead the rush up ice, and generate offense 5v5.

He has the worst shot of any professional hockey player I've ever seen. It's not hard, it's not accurate. Many times, it struggles to reach the net. If I had to chose one player in the whole sport to shoot a puck at my concussion-prone mother's helmetless head, it would be TJ Brodie.

Brodie has 6 straight 30 point seasons, and if his wrist shot was even 20% better, he probably has a few 50 point ones in there. Then his occasional defensive muffs don't look so bad, because he's a 40-50 point 1st pairing stud who handles the puck all the time - turnovers are just the cost of doing business.

Alas, TJ can fire snappers in front of a school zone radar truck for five hours and not once receive a ticket. So he'll never get the respect he deserves.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Yea I agree as I like Hamonic a lot more than most.

My one issue with keeping Brodie is obviously the plethora of LHS dmen we have. Even though he does play his offside you can't deny the importance of having enough of each handedness in the lineup.

We lack RHS both upfront and on the backend so its tough to pick Brodie over Hamonic, for me anyways. Especially when you consider how Hanifin, Kylington and even Valimaki have similar skating ability to Brodie.

With Hamonic it's going to come down to money and it sounds like he wants to test free agency and I would want no part of paying him $5 million a season even on short term because IMO he's a 4th defenseman that has been living off the reputation built in one good season in Long Island. Let some other team overpay him like the Canucks are probably already regretting overpaying Myers.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

With Hamonic it's going to come down to money and it sounds like he wants to test free agency and I would want no part of paying him $5 million a season even on short term because IMO he's a 4th defenseman that has been living off the reputation built in one good season in Long Island. Let some other team overpay him like the Canucks are probably already regretting overpaying Myers.

Yea I dont want him back unless the price and term are palatable.

[Roof-Daddy]

Try to get Colin Miller for pennies on the dollar, if possible.

Trade Hamonic for picks
Extend Andersson

Also, explore a Brodie extension if it's not too pricey or long.

Gio - Brodie
Hanifin - Andersson
Kylington - Miller


...to finish out the season.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

With Hamonic it's going to come down to money and it sounds like he wants to test free agency and I would want no part of paying him $5 million a season even on short term because IMO he's a 4th defenseman that has been living off the reputation built in one good season in Long Island. Let some other team overpay him like the Canucks are probably already regretting overpaying Myers.

I personally haven't watched many Canuck games other than when the play the Flames, but with most of my friends being Canuck fans, it seems to be unanimous that they've been very happy with the play of Myers this year.

[BigErnSalute_16]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The question will be what to do the closer expansion comes.

If Valimaki comes back healthy and continues progressing I honestly believe you protect Andersson Hanifin and Valimaki in the expansion draft

[Lil Pedro]

Would love to see a Rasmus long term deal at 7 x $5million AAV, similar to Samuel Girard

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by BigErnSalute_16

If Valimaki comes back healthy and continues progressing I honestly believe you protect Andersson Hanifin and Valimaki in the expansion draft

The point is, you may get a decent deal for Kylington before then, and you take it. You also consider the expansion when looking at offers for Brodie and Hamonic. I think you likely expose Gio.

ETA: And if you extend Brodie or Hamonic you have to not give them NMCs, otherwise you have to expose one of the younger guys.

[shadowlord]

And to think that Andersson was once called out for conditioning issues. He's come a long way since then.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

With Hamonic it's going to come down to money and it sounds like he wants to test free agency and I would want no part of paying him $5 million a season even on short term because IMO he's a 4th defenseman that has been living off the reputation built in one good season in Long Island. Let some other team overpay him like the Canucks are probably already regretting overpaying Myers.

Hamonic is overpaid already. I don't see a sucker out there that's going to put up that kind of money for him. He's is pretty good on PK, but other than that he looks like a 3rd pairing guy forced to play in over his head.

That said, part of the issue is likely that Hanifin - Hamonic is a pretty bad pairing. Both of those guys need a partner that reads the game better than they do. Them not holding their own as a 2nd pairing is IMO this teams biggest weakness, they should have been split up yesterday to try anything else.

[TheScorpion]

I really want to see Andersson begin to embrace the nasty side of the game a little bit more, especially if Hamonic is on his way out. The Flames haven't had a truly fearsome presence on the back-end since the underrated Deryk Engelland, but Andersson has the capability to become a dual threat: able to contribute effectively in the offensive zone (at 6v5 in particular) but also by being an annoying presence in his own end.

There aren't too many pure stay-at-home guys left in the league who simply patrol and police the other team, but Andersson has the ability to blend a similar aspect of that into his game. It's a sort of combination of agitator and warrior. Giordano has a bit of it in him, but I think Andersson has more of it. Mind, Giordano is a better overall player, but Andersson's potential in this category is part of why I think he has the ability to be a true #1 defenseman in the future -- he can be that guy who, when he jumps on the ice, everybody knows he's there and everybody takes note of it.

In short, man I miss Deryk Engelland, but I think Andersson can start to emulate the best parts of him to become an even more effective defenseman.

[slcrocket]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If I had to chose one player in the whole sport to shoot a puck at my concussion-prone mother's helmetless head, it would be TJ Brodie.

That's a sentence you just don't hear everyday. You are an artist.

[FanIn80]

So, essentially, the answer to my question is, “really farkin good.”

[GioforPM]

I'd say he may be the most consistent defenceman on the team right now.

[Yrebmi]

Originally Posted by BigErnSalute_16

If Valimaki comes back healthy and continues progressing I honestly believe you protect Andersson Hanifin and Valimaki in the expansion draft

Apologies if this has been answered in pages past. I was under the impression that due to this missed year Valimaki no longer required protection in the upcoming expansion draft. Is that not so?

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Yrebmi

Apologies if this has been answered in pages past. I was under the impression that due to this missed year Valimaki no longer required protection in the upcoming expansion draft. Is that not so?

The expansion draft isn't this summer it's next summer, additionally Valimaki may still play this season.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

Would love to see a Rasmus long term deal at 7 x $5million AAV, similar to Samuel Girard

I think CP in general over values Rasmus a bit. Signing him to a 7 x $5 might turn out to be a steal in the future but also has a significant risk of blowing up in your face. He has previous history of being out of shape. I'm not ready to give a guy with that type of history a 7 year deal.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by Yrebmi

Apologies if this has been answered in pages past. I was under the impression that due to this missed year Valimaki no longer required protection in the upcoming expansion draft. Is that not so?

The rule is after two pro seasons you are eligible for the expansion draft. If I am not mistaken, a pro season is considered more than 9 games in either the NHL, or the AHL/ECHL under an NHL contract (July1-June 30).

When Gilles was injured in his first season under contract, his lost season was not considered a pro season. But that was his first season (i.e. he hadn't began to accrue his pro seasons yet)

Valimaki started accruing his pro seasons last year - I am not sure if there is a pause button for this.
I have never seen anything that indicates that a season lost to injury would result in the stoppage of a pro season accrual. This question could also be rephrased as: Should we hope that his injury keeps him out for the entire year to help the team in the expansion draft?

[Enoch Root]

I would think that he is more in line for something like a 4 x $4M deal.

And to answer the OP's question: burgeoning on really freaking good.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

The rule is after two pro seasons you are eligible for the expansion draft. If I am not mistaken, a pro season is considered more than 9 games in either the NHL, or the AHL/ECHL under an NHL contract (July1-June 30).

When Gilles was injured in his first season under contract, his lost season was not considered a pro season. But that was his first season (i.e. he hadn't began to accrue his pro seasons yet)

Valimaki started accruing his pro seasons last year - I am not sure if there is a pause button for this.
I have never seen anything that indicates that a season lost to injury would result in the stoppage of a pro season accrual. This question could also be rephrased as: Should we hope that his injury keeps him out for the entire year to help the team in the expansion draft?

Believe at the time the Flames had to apply for an exception, because the expansion terms needed to be interpreted and did not provide explicitly for every case - but legal definition was 10 games or more played. Thought that they applied and received an exception for Gillies. If he doesn't touch the ice this year, I think the Flames would be pretty hard done by and be having the lawyers look at expansion terminology in pretty intense detail if he has to be exposed. I don't know how Gillies can be exempt but Valimaki not, whether its year 1 or year 2 is not really relevant because it's not like the entry level deal rolled over for Gillies - should be a simple assessment of whether or not the year counts as a "professional year"

I don't know how you can count a year where he doesn't play hockey at any level as a professional season under any definition.

That said, if he touches the ice their argument weakens and if he plays 10 games which is the legal definition of a pro season I've seen I think they're screwed and will lose a major asset on the blueline.