[Signing] Flames sign Tkachuk (3 yrs, $7 mil AAV)

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

If Brodie and Frolik are the reason you sign this contract, you probably shouldn't be a GM.



The fact that Tkachuk makes more than Point is pretty embarrassing. And it's pretty obvious that Point's contract directly affected the timing of this contract.



The contract itself isn't the worst. I like it more than the Marner and Matthews deals. A bridge deal for Tkachuk kind of makes sense, because he only has one highly offensive season under his belt thus far. And at least he's still an RFA at the end, even if the QO will have to be high.

The Point deal was a big discount because he plays for Tampa. This is a very good AAV for Calgary. It also fits with our three year window where all of our best players make 7 million or less.

[The Cobra]

Well, Tkachuk's decision to hold out certainly worked in his favour, as he got the money and the term he wanted. It allows him to collect $30M for 4 years and takes him right to UFA.

Having the leverage of leaving will ensure his next contract will be for 7-8 years at an AAV that young UFA's are getting at that time based on his production over the next 4 years.

He played it very well. He gets his lifetime security without giving up any UFA years. The best RFA's are either getting that or a huge long term deal.

I'm not certain that Treliving had much choice here, I do believe Tkachuk was willing to hold out into the season. Sometimes you have to blink first for the good of the team.

6-years at $8M AAV certainly looks spectacular now.

[Bingo]

Pretty huge that Treliving ended up getting it done without painting himself into a corner with having to move someone.

He's tight to the cap but can no make it and move someone to add space if he wished to. No longer forced to.

I hate the new contract structure that RFA's have forced, but I get that it's the model in play and refusing to enter that realm would clearly mean the player doesn't start the season.

If you think you're going to have to bend anyway, may as well get it done and get one of the window seasons started on the right foot.

Will be interesting to see what happens from January 1st 2022 and on (RFA extension date for his deal)

[Huntingwhale]

I am pleased he will be back with the team.

[Nelson]

This doesn’t feel great to me. Point had 92 points and 41 goals in 79 games as a centre, and he got 3*6.75. Point may have a slightly higher after-tax income, and that may justify this I guess, but that just reminds me of the disadvantage the Flames face. So whether I look at this as a fair deal because of the tax situations in Alberta and Florida or an unfair deal because Point scores more and plays centre, I just can’t see this contract as a positive.

My really cynical side says he signs in St. Louis as a UFA after he accepts the QO in year 4. I have no reason to believe this though.

Anyways, it is sweet to have him in the lineup.

[TheScorpion]

If it takes over $20 million to sign both Gaudreau and Tkachuk in 2022, then it has to happen. These are not players that contending teams can afford to lose.

[kevman]

Good deal. Love the term. This locks up the core for the current window and lets the Flames re-evaluate in a few years when, god forbid, our ageless wonder Gio might not be so ageless.

Sure 6-8 years would have resulted in a great cap hit in years 5-8 but the cap hit in years 1-3 would have really hurt their ability to compete now. A lot can change in 6-8 years. Remember when Iginla was still on the team?

[renny]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This is the tax-discount effect. Point’s cap hit is lower, but he’ll take home more money.

Bissonette is that you?

But yea, this is definitely the reason why Tkachuk is getting paid "more".

[TheSquatch]

The Flames' window is really the next 3ish years though while they have a whole pile of value guys signed at what now seem like super reasonable contracts (Gaudrea, Monahan, Linholm, Hanifin, even Gio really) and a bunch of young talent looking "for real" - Dube, Andersson, maybe Mangiapane. The team is built for "pretty soon" and wondering what happens in 3 years is really kind of pointless when it comes to contracts like this, yeah maybe Tkachuk goes somewhere else at that point, maybe not. But for now, the team has him and a bunch of other key guys locked in for a few years, so let's enjoy it.

[Matty81]

Don't love the term or the fact that the value spikes in year 3. I would have thought based on comparables that he would have been only getting 6 if the flames were going to let him become a ufa.

Unless the flames win something he seems very likely to take the qualifying offer and walk in 4 years.

The only plus I can see is that I frankly don't think he's going to continue scoring at the same rate as last year so at least the flames didn't lock in at 10 a year or something stupid.

[Stay Golden]

Fantastic news that this is done and Tkachuk will not miss any regular season games in a hold out. All the roster pieces are in place now

[Poe969]

so in 2 years they start negotiating a long term deal and if they can't get something done they look at moving him.

For some reason I just don't think Tre is done right now, I'm guessing 2 moves get done before the season starts.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Pretty huge that Treliving ended up getting it done without painting himself into a corner with having to move someone.

Once it became clear that Tkachuk wanted a shorter term deal and Treliving bought into it, the AAV was always going to be low enough to fit him in.

I don't believe that Treliving wouldn't have preferred a longer deal (at least 6 years) at an AAV which would have meant he had to move someone.

Treliving likely plugged his nose and got the deal done. I don't think he had any choice.

[oldschoolcalgary]

would have preferred the Point deal AAV number and a slightly more balanced AAV (ie not landing at 9 in the final year)... i don't believe Tkachuk is as good at Point. imo.

i had thought it was going to be 5 years at 8 million, so the deal he did get was even a little richer.

the positive of the 3 year deal is that calgary will have a lot of guys coming to their contract year at the same time, so they will have a number of decisions that will have to be made simultaneously.

Once Point got done and no deals had been made i think most figured a bridge would happen in order to get this done before the season.

ok deal i think, not a fantastic deal for either side though i would definitely skew it to Tkachuk's camp

[Moneyhands23]

So Tree will have Johnny and Matty to sign at the same time. That will be nerve wracking!!!!

[PepsiFree]

EvolvingWild with another great prediction.

They pegged Tkachuk at 6.97M AAV on a 3 year deal.

[Savvy27]

Another thing to keep in mind is that when Point was 21, he scored 40 points in 68 games.

As good as Point is, I think Tkachuk is being slightly underappreciated here. He scored 77 points as 21 year old playing on the checking line.

Don't count him out yet when it comes to production versus some of these RFAs.

The deal isn't perfect, but I think there is a decent chance he will be the captain of the team at the end of this contract (if Gio retires).

[BigRed]

Glad it's done, but the league really needs to address QO's being based on final year's salary vs AAV. Every team is getting bent over on this and the stress it will put on the cap league-wide is untenable.

[Toonage]

And now we can worry about other things! Nice.

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

EvolvingWild with another great prediction.

They pegged Tkachuk at 6.97M AAV on a 3 year deal.

I just KNEW Trelivng over-paid...lol

I always thought this was going shorter term. I'm happy with the deal, looking forward to having the full team together!