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Old 09-24-2019, 09:39 PM   #81
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Old 09-24-2019, 09:39 PM   #82
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Old 09-24-2019, 09:41 PM   #83
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I never mentioned anything about what is more common. Just mentioned that it goes for men and woman. Drunk and stupid is drunk and stupid
So then I’m not really understanding why you’d bring up a reverse gender scenario as if that somehow absolves Matthews of disorderly conduct.
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So then I’m not really understanding why you’d bring up a reverse gender scenario as if that somehow absolves Matthews of disorderly conduct.
Mainly the few comments about "boys will be boys"

Straight up though I regret even being in this thread as I missed some of the game tonight. Ugh
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I apologize if I upset anyone. I will aim to stick to hockey related threads going forward
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Old 09-24-2019, 09:48 PM   #87
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Well I assume you were taking this from a typical perspective of someone with good morals, which is nice

The part of me that has a bit less faith in people sees further emotional distress caused to a vet with PTSD (is that detail not just setting the table for a lawsuit?) at the hands of a rich millionaire, and US TV commercials encouraging people to sue everyone under the sun, and so I make a little tongue in cheek comment

Does that help you understand my comment? I have no idea what colour of text to use for you, my friend.

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Old 09-24-2019, 09:50 PM   #88
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Non issue. Young guy out drunk having a goofy time
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You sir, are out of touch and have zero empathy. Horrible take.

A female is approached by a bunch of large men trying to get into her car with nobody else around late at night. Sound like just goofy fun to you?

I wonder what would happened if she has a gun and shot these three idiots? Would that still be a non issue?
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I dont think its a big deal. It says it was his buildings security guard. He probably sees her when going in and out and has some limited interaction with this woman daily. It wasn't a total stranger. I'm sure while drunk he thought they had enough of a rapport that they might scare her a bit as a joke and she might find it funny. Dumb of him not to gauge other potential reactions but hes a drunk kid just out for a laugh. If he wasn't a hockey player I bet she wouldn't even report it and just would tell these drunk idiots to bugger off. It says plainly she knew who he was.
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The PTSD doesnt even matter imo, because its after the fact, it just shows how much more dumb they were to do this

Four 20something males, rush at a car trying to open it with a lone female inside

Imagine what she is thinking in that situation might happen? What could have happened? Or what trauma this causes another person

It was an incredibly stupid thing to do, I cant believe anyone is trying to defend this
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I wonder what would happened if she has a gun and shot these three idiots? Would that still be a non issue?
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A group of big drunken guys? I'm thinking something much worse than that if I'm a woman all alone.
Just want to say that I agree with you on how stupid and irresponsible that was from Matthews and company. However.. If that woman is working as a security guard and is a military vet, I would tend to think she is kind of expected to deal with such situations. Imagine if there was a real robbery on a property she is supposed to watch. Do you think her telling these robbers she is a WOMAN and a military vet with post traumatic disorder would cut it? Maybe she should reconsider her occupation. This is not meant in any way as a defence of Matthews, what he did was stupid. But the fact he is a well-known hockey player and she is a female security guard should not make any difference. IF you trully believe in equality.

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Just want to say that I agree with you on how stupid and irresponsible that was from Matthews and company. However.. If that woman is working as a security guard and is a military vet, I would tend to think she is kind of expected to deal with such situations. Imagine if there was a real robbery on a property she is supposed to watch. Do you think her telling these robbers she is a WOMAN and a military vet with post traumatic disorder would cut it? Maybe she should reconsider her occupation. This is not meant in any way as a defence of Matthews, what he did was stupid. But just because he is a well-known hockey player and she is a female security guard should not make any difference. IF you trully believe in equality.
Can’t thank this post enough. You said it a lot better than I would have.
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I think there'd be a very good case for self-defense if it happened.
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I dont think its a big deal. It says it was his buildings security guard. He probably sees her when going in and out and has some limited interaction with this woman daily. It wasn't a total stranger. I'm sure while drunk he thought they had enough of a rapport that they might scare her a bit as a joke and she might find it funny. Dumb of him not to gauge other potential reactions but hes a drunk kid just out for a laugh. If he wasn't a hockey player I bet she wouldn't even report it and just would tell these drunk idiots to bugger off. It says plainly she knew who he was.
Do you need a lamp to go with that projection?
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If he was black, there would be many (not here) justifying it.

He’s lucky she didn’t have a gun.

Apologize and learn from it or else he’s earning a bad reputation.
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Just want to say that I agree with you on how stupid and irresponsible that was from Matthews and company. However.. If that woman is working as a security guard and is a military vet, I would tend to think she is kind of expected to deal with such situations. Imagine if there was a real robbery on a property she is supposed to watch. Do you think her telling these robbers she is a WOMAN and a military vet with post traumatic disorder would cut it? Maybe she should reconsider her occupation. This is not meant in any way as a defence of Matthews, what he did was stupid. But the fact he is a well-known hockey player and she is a female security guard should not make any difference. IF you trully believe in equality.
We’re not here to argue whether security is an appropriate job for a vet with PTSD. There wasn’t a robbery and that’d be a completely different scenario. Sound like a red herring argument to me. No job entails being harassed by anyone.
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Just want to say that I agree with you on how stupid and irresponsible that was from Matthews and company. However.. If that woman is working as a security guard and is a military vet, I would tend to think she is kind of expected to deal with such situations. Imagine if there was a real robbery on a property she is supposed to watch. Do you think her telling these robbers she is a WOMAN and a military vet with post traumatic disorder would cut it? Maybe she should reconsider her occupation. This is not meant in any way as a defence of Matthews, what he did was stupid. But the fact he is a well-known hockey player and she is a female security guard should not make any difference. IF you trully believe in equality.
So she should have done what some other security guard world have and shot the perpetrator?

The point of her being a woman is to make clear how unfunny the "joke" is. Austin has not be charged with "being mean to a woman". If you're a larger man and you don't get spooked by a bunch of men trying to break into your car at 2am -- good on you, but it's hardly a job requirement.
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You're apparently not familiar with the United States of America.

> State law affords certain self-defense protections under what's referred to as the "castle doctrine," meaning the legal occupants of a home or vehicle can legally defend themselves against an intruder if they believe to be in some amount of danger, according to attorney Russell Richelsoph, a partner at Davis Miles McGuire Gardner law firm.

Defense attorney Andrew Wenker said the law presumes a person acted reasonably if they claimed to have defended themselves or others, forcing prosecutors to prove otherwise.

"So you show a little bit of evidence that shows that you acted in self-defense," Wenker said. "The State, they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt all the elements of the crime you committed. But on top of that, they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you weren't acting (in) self-defense."

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