GM Layoffs

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

We are an international laughing stock. No other country in the world would so easily just give away it's most valuable natural resource. And to the USA no less.

And yet, there's a strong chance this loser will still win the next election. It's insanity.

[CaptainCrunch]

I think that the odds are heavily in favor of Trudeau winning a strong majority in the next election, especially if he comes out with a package to support the auto workers.



On the grand scale of things, the Alberta Employment and Oil Crisis is just that, an Alberta problem to the rest of Canada, whether construction starts on Trans X won't even float by their voting radar. I would fully expect that the Liberals will show a lot of spending in Ontario and Quebec leading up to next years election, a so called election budget. I doubt much comes our way except for more words from Morneau and Trudeau because the Liberals know that a loss of a few seats in Alberta over this isn't worth the political capital that they spent when they were cornered into buying Trans X.


I expect another large Liberal Majority unless Scheer shows us something that he hasn't so far, its more a matter of the people in Ontario and Quebec voting for the Standing government over the eavil conservatives.


But if you want the fun of seeing a province losing its shyte on a massive scale. If Trudeau doesn't get shovels moving on Trans-X or an alternate transportation plan by the next election (likely) and the Liberals win a majority, you will see a huge wave of Western Alienation from Alberta and to an extent Saskatchewan.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

We are an international laughing stock. No other country in the world would so easily just give away it's most valuable natural resource. And to the USA no less.

And yet, there's a strong chance this loser will still win the next election. It's insanity.

The CCB is an awesome bribe.

[para transit fellow]

I think some people are missing an important point.

One of the Big Three automobile manufacturers is winding-down production of internal combustion automobiles.

Their assessment of market trends is guiding their departure from selling vehicles using internal combustion engines over the next few years.

This is important that Alberta take note of this decision. Transportation is currently the largest segment of petroleum use. If the transportation drops by half in the next 7yearsthere is going to be a large change in the north american demand for oil products.

We need to stop complaining about who suffered the bigger job cuts and get on the path to figuring out where we can advantage the next-best oil markets

Additional challenge... If this market change is happening on other continents... How are planning to compete against oil producers that are closer to the remaining region that will continue to rely on oil?

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by para transit fellow

I think some people are missing an important point.

One of the Big Three automobile manufacturers is winding-down production of internal combustion automobiles.

It's really winding-down production of 4-door sedans in favor of crossovers, which is the overwhelming global market trend.

[you&me]

Originally Posted by accord1999

It's really winding-down production of 4-door sedans in favor of crossovers, which is the overwhelming global market trend.

Not only crossovers, but SUVs and trucks. And the overwhelming market trend is growth in larger, less fuel efficient vehicles.

Demand cut by half in 7 years? Says no one...

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by accord1999

It's really winding-down production of 4-door sedans in favor of crossovers, which is the overwhelming global market trend.

The article posted above https://business.financialpost.com/t..._autoplay=true

says that all vehicle sales are down a good 30% from the early 2000s, and the recovery from the recessions peaked last year.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by para transit fellow

I think some people are missing an important point.

One of the Big Three automobile manufacturers is winding-down production of internal combustion automobiles.

Their assessment of market trends is guiding their departure from selling vehicles using internal combustion engines over the next few years.

This is important that Alberta take note of this decision. Transportation is currently the largest segment of petroleum use. If the transportation drops by half in the next 7yearsthere is going to be a large change in the north american demand for oil products.

We need to stop complaining about who suffered the bigger job cuts and get on the path to figuring out where we can advantage the next-best oil markets

Additional challenge... If this market change is happening on other continents... How are planning to compete against oil producers that are closer to the remaining region that will continue to rely on oil?

Which one would that be? You do realize GM just pulled the plug on the Volt right? Some of you people really need to get a little more educated on what's really going on in the automotive world. Nobody is winding down on production of the internal combustion engine. The fact you are saying that Alberta needs to take notion that GM is shutting down it's sedan building facilities is one of the stupidest comments I've heard here in a while. As has been repeated several times in this thread the domestics are focusing on CUV/SUV's because that is the sales trend as sedan sales are slumping badly. Has nothing to do with the internal combustion engine. Sorry if this looks like an attack but I really believe people need to have a better understanding of what's really going on as your statement is very careless as people are not going to stop driving cars, transportation is not going to drop in half anytime soon, and few people are buying EV's and hybrids.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Which one would that be? You do realize GM just pulled the plug on the Volt right? Some of you people really need to get a little more educated on what's really going on in the automotive world. Nobody is winding down on production of the internal combustion engine. The fact you are saying that Alberta needs to take notion that GM is shutting down it's sedan building facilities is one of the stupidest comments I've heard here in a while. As has been repeated several times in this thread the domestics are focusing on CUV/SUV's because that is the sales trend as sedan sales are slumping badly. Has nothing to do with the internal combustion engine.

The pulled the plug on the hybrid plug in Volt to concentrate on the fully electric Bolt. Hybrid plug ins were always going to be a transitional product anyway until the infrastructure was ready for fully electric, which it is now.

PTF's most may be overstating things a bit, but GM's words and actions, they are ditching the sedan factories to put R&D capital into electric and autonomous cars, and count on the CUV/SUV/truck market for short-medium term revenue. It's definitely a pretty big shift.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

The pulled the plug on the hybrid plug in Volt to concentrate on the fully electric Bolt. Hybrid plug ins were always going to be a transitional product anyway until the infrastructure was ready for fully electric, which it is now.

PTF's most may be overstating things a bit, but GM's words and actions, they are ditching the sedan factories to put R&D capital into electric and autonomous cars, and count on the CUV/SUV/truck market for short-medium term revenue. It's definitely a pretty big shift.

The Bolt isn't selling as sales are down by 40% in the US. Every automaker is investing in the future but this has been coming a long time for the domestics as it's been decades where their cars simply aren't up to the standards of imports. They could still sell enough sedans when the market was buying them but now that the market has shifted to SUV's their hands were forced to stop building cars consumers didn't want. Does anyone here know anyone that owns a late model Impala? It was simply time they pulled out of that market.

[CaptainCrunch]

Frankly the Union is doing a disservice to their members with this "We'll make GM change their minds, because our people are awesome" line. They can fight as hard as they want and waste time on this, but in the end GM is killing that plant.


In the words of Bruce Springsteen "Those jobs are going son and they ain't coming back".


Doug Ford (retch) has the right line on the whole thing. Move on work on finding work or training for these people.

[para transit fellow]

North America is at "Peak Car"

https://business-financialpost-com.c...ng-auto-plants

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by para transit fellow

North America is at "Peak Car"

https://business-financialpost-com.c...ng-auto-plants

Car sales are down because cars last way longer than they used to. A 10 year old car used to be a junker on its last legs, which isn't really true anymore.

The number of cars sold doesn't matter to oil demand, just the number of cars/miles driven. If cars last longer, sales can be much lower and still burn the same amount of fuel.

Also, the current sales trends are strongly towards less fuel efficient SUVs and trucks and away from smaller fuel efficient sedans. The big vehicles selling now will be on the road burning gasoline for 20 years.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

The number of cars sold doesn't matter to oil demand, just the number of cars/miles driven. If cars last longer, sales can be much lower and still burn the same amount of fuel.

Yeah, US vehicle miles traveled remain at very high levels:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M12MTVUSM227NFWA

While US transit ridership, even with huge investments into rail by many larger cities, has fallen to 2006 levels.





https://www.apta.com/resources/stati...rship-APTA.pdf

https://www.apta.com/resources/stati...rship_APTA.pdf

[81MC]

Originally Posted by para transit fellow

I think some people are missing an important point.

One of the Big Three automobile manufacturers is winding-down production of internal combustion automobiles.

Their assessment of market trends is guiding their departure from selling vehicles using internal combustion engines over the next few years.

This is important that Alberta take note of this decision. Transportation is currently the largest segment of petroleum use. If the transportation drops by half in the next 7yearsthere is going to be a large change in the north american demand for oil products.

We need to stop complaining about who suffered the bigger job cuts and get on the path to figuring out where we can advantage the next-best oil markets

Additional challenge... If this market change is happening on other continents... How are planning to compete against oil producers that are closer to the remaining region that will continue to rely on oil?

Oil consumption in the US for transportation is expected to level off @ 13B barrels/day. Personal transportation accounts for about 60% of transportation energy use. Transportation use accounts for less than a 1/3 of total energy use. That’s roughly 20% of energy needs and uses.
No matter what is occurring with the passenger vehicle market (and as pointed out, it’s trending to utility vehicles not just non-combustion), there is a huge market next door, to say nothing of Canadas own need. A closed GM plant is not a reliable indicator of needs.