Waiver wire Sept 30. UPD: Kulak, Peluso, and Lazar clear. Ducks claim Aberg

[dammage79]

I think it says something about how the team about the strength of its core.

Your top 4 is strong enough you can have a 20 year old rookie man the 3rd pairing. Or have Andersson up instead of stone (Which I suspect we will see more of as the year goes on, Valimaki-Andersson)

Same with Dube and eat bread. They're so confident in their top 9 that you can run a couple of kids in sheltered situations.

I like these decisions a lot and I think it's going to pay huge dividends all season.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

On a general note, I have to say that I am really impressed with the decisions this year.

I am generally of the view that more seasoning is a good thing, and players should go down unless they are actually better than the vets they're fighting against.

But if the young players are better, then you need to have the cajones to reward them and run with it. And the simple fact of the matter is that:

Dube, Mangiapane, Valimaki and Andersson have been better - clearly better - than

Lazar, Hathaway, Rychel, Kulak, and Prout

so run with it - let them play. They've earned it.

Except for the double standard WRT Stone.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I hope we can now stop trading for reclamation projects that members of the coaching staff are familiar with.

I hope we don’t. It’s risky, but there’s still value in trying, and your chances increase when there is familiarity.

Picking up young reclamation projects? Most times they’re the Lazars of the world. Sometimes they’re Baertchi, Byron or (insert most of the Vegas roster). Not always fabulous, but more than they were to the team to had them.

And going after someone the coach is familiar with? It’s only preseason, but I’m certainly not upset at the handful of guys we snagged from Carolina.

These situations pay off enough not to shut the door on the whole idea, in my opinion.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

But if the young players are better, then you need to have the cajones to reward them and run with it.

I suspect this was expressed loud and clear in some exit meetings from players after the year.

[dino7c]

It's not even that big of a mistake considering most 2nd rounders don't become full time NHLers

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Except for the double standard WRT Stone.

Stone is an NHLer. I know he isn't as sexy as some, but he is a solid player.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It's not even that big of a mistake considering most 2nd rounders don't become full time NHLers

You need to hit on enough of your draft picks, whether it’s through a trade or making the pick to be successful. The Lazar trade was a clear miss. Not much more to say about it really. I’m hopeful his season will bear out that this GM has a few wins on his resume too.

[Finger Cookin]

Let's recall as well that waiving these 3 today doesn't necessarily mean they're going to Stockton immediately. The waivers will give the Flames some flexibility if they want to send these players down later after making more permanent moves to open roster spots for the kids, for example. Or might allow the Flames to have the kids start the season on the farm but move these three down later to make room for them.

Treliving values flexibility an awful lot.

[Steveyoto]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Geez. Thanks Dave Cameron. Another blown 2nd rounder that we could have used instead of picking up one of Cameron’s faves.

Obviously Peters isn’t a fan. Treliving not afraid to admit mistake but seeing Formenton (who they picked with our pick) making Sens stings.

But would he make any other roster in the league. Melnyk basically said Ottawa will be made up of a majority of rookies.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by devo22

I actually hope Lazar passes through waivers. Sens threw him into the NHL immediately and he never got AHL time to work on aspects of his game. Going to Stockton and putting up some points might be good for him.

That is a hope but rarely ever happens.

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Kulak is still a serviceable depth defenseman. I can see a team making a claim.

Kulak cleared waivers a few months ago and was available in expansion draft. Doubtful anyone is going to take him now with all these guys on waivers.

[EVERLAST]

What a great thread/discussion.

Everyone is excited and I'm so happy to read about what this teams potential is.

We brought in a new coach/ players and it seemed as easy as flipping a switch.
Peter's knowledge of this team impresses the hell out of me.

This forum has changed back to where it was on a positive note and where we aren't going for each other's throats.

Feels good fellas .....this team is going to do well this year and this flames fan is ecstatic.

[joejoe3]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

What a great thread/discussion.

Everyone is excited and I'm so happy to read about what this teams potential is.

We brought in a new coach/ players and it seemed as easy as flipping a switch.
Peter's knowledge of this team impresses the hell out of me.

This forum has changed back to where it was on a positive note and where we aren't going for each other's throats.

Feels good fellas .....this team is going to do well this year and this flames fan is ecstatic.

You've been here since 2005.
You should know it only takes 1 regulation loss for Fire Bill Peters thread to pop up lol

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I would rather they both stay up. There will be a forward and a defenseman in the press box most nights, and I would much prefer those players are not one of Valimaki and Anderson, and one of Mangiapane and Dube. One of the young forwards and defensemen needs to play in the AHL.


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I would actually rather keep the mentioned. I know that you can’t overseason guys in the AHL, but I feel that Mangiapane and Andersson have proved what there is to prove down there, and if part of their development is watching the game from upstairs ready to jump in while Dube and Valimaki play, then I think that’s great.

Dube and Valimaki though, if not on the regular roster, should definitely go to the AHL.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

You need to hit on enough of your draft picks, whether it’s through a trade or making the pick to be successful. The Lazar trade was a clear miss. Not much more to say about it really. I’m hopeful his season will bear out that this GM has a few wins on his resume too.

He already has more wins than misses

[memphusk]

Wouldn't hurt my feelings if all three were claimed.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Lazar could REALLY use the offensive confidence that scoring at the AHL level could bring. Hopefully he clears because I think there's untapped potential there.

I'd be somewhat surprised if Kulak cleared. Seems like serviceable defensemen are always valued. Guess we'll see what the league thinks of him by tomorrow.

I would be surprised if Kulak doesn't clear. Already cleared once during the summer when teams didn't have to worry about reducing their roster for the start of the season. I don't buy that his arbitration case scared teams off. He was never going to win a big pay day.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I suspect this was expressed loud and clear in some exit meetings from players after the year.

And to add..., I think the Flames have looked hard at the Vegas model; A bunch of castoffs and hungry young guys proving to be a potent mix. Sometimes you have to give guys opportunities to succeed and let them run with it. I think the Flames are trying harder to grow their talent and blend them in without too much sheltering.

[sempuki]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Lazar could REALLY use the offensive confidence that scoring at the AHL level could bring. Hopefully he clears because I think there's untapped potential there.

I'd be somewhat surprised if Kulak cleared. Seems like serviceable defensemen are always valued. Guess we'll see what the league thinks of him by tomorrow.

Sadly I think it's too late for Lazar. When you're young confidence is a fragile thing, and when you only know failure that's a hard monkey to shake. There's always that doubt in the back of your head, and at this level the mental 1% starts to dominate. I find it endlessly interesting Kris Russell carved out an impressive NHL career while his biologically identical twin brother Ryan never got a sniff. This is the best league in the world and the margins are razor thin.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Kulak cleared waivers a few months ago and was available in expansion draft. Doubtful anyone is going to take him now with all these guys on waivers.

Arbitration negotiating move, if I recall. Teams that passed might take a bite on him at the lower price. If the Flames did not think he had value, they could have merely let him go.

There's a good chance he does clear, but he could, say, be moved in a minor deal.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Right guys sent packing so far. Two of those guys were ones that had serious hopes of being Flames this season. Good depth developing in the organization.