People don't remember the pain they experienced as a baby after they've grown up, so pain inflicted upon babies is pretty much ethically fine. You can pinch, poke and cut babies any time and know there's nothing wrong about their pain in the moment because they won't remember it later. The same can be applied to animals that don't really have memories. Their pain just really doesn't matter, so we can treat them however we like.
I equate male circumcision to piercing a girl's ears when they are a baby. No one is traumatized by it.
I think in North America women prefer circumcised penises, and generally fathers want their son to be cut from the same cloth so to speak.
The fact that its now an extra service that costs hundreds of dollars will pretty much ensure it will slowly die out though. People care, but not that much.
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To me it's mostly interesting how an ancient religious ritual designed to differentiate religious groups and/or reduce the sin of masturbation is still being used today. I just can't understand WHY people would do it in the 21st century.
what? more religious fairy tales, because that ain't happening.
what? more religious fairy tales, because that ain't happening.
What's not happening?
I'm saying that the origins of circumcision include trying to eliminate the act of jerking off. Unsuccessfully mind you, but no one accused ancient religions of being overly smart.
I equate male circumcision to piercing a girl's ears when they are a baby. No one is traumatized by it.
I think in North America women prefer circumcised penises, and generally fathers want their son to be cut from the same cloth so to speak.
The fact that its now an extra service that costs hundreds of dollars will pretty much ensure it will slowly die out though. People care, but not that much.
Do you think that's because they're actually more aesthetically or sexual pleasing, or because that's what every picture of every penis they've ever seen looks like. I always found it absured that in sex-ed class all the penises were circumcised.
Never heard any complaints personally.
I really don't see how cutting off a piece of one's body at birth could be considered a good idea. It's like chopping off your toe so you can't stub it.
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Do you think that's because they're actually more aesthetically or sexual pleasing, or because that's what every picture of every penis they've ever seen looks like. I always found it absured that in sex-ed class all the penises were circumcised.
Never heard any complaints personally.
I really don't see how cutting off a piece of one's body at birth could be considered a good idea. It's like chopping off your toe so you can't stub it.
Perhaps something like this would prompt many parents to think it is a good idea:
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...I had to get mine done in my early 20's due to medical reasons. I was aware of it, It sucked, and I was in pain for a while after. I remember it as well.
I wish i had mine done when I was a baby.
All three of my boys are adopted, and came intact. My wife and I never gave the question much consideration, but as a circumcised man with a healthy and fulfilling sex life I occasionally wonder about whether or not this was the right decision. Having no memory of my own foreskin, I was completely lost when it came to teaching my kids about penile hygiene. I told them to keep it clean with no real insight about procedure beyond my own experience. At this point my kids are approaching adulthood and pretty much on there own to monitor their own penile health.
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I'm saying that the origins of circumcision include trying to eliminate the act of jerking off. Unsuccessfully mind you, but no one accused ancient religions of being overly smart.
No one should accuse "religion" of being overly dumb either, considering that it was universally indistinguishable from culture up until the emergence of modernity, and is an integral part of global human development.
Religion was neither a good idea or a bad one. It just happened, and there was never any way it could not have.
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"...harem warfare? like all your wives dressup and go paintballing?"
Why does a penis with foreskin have to be called uncircumcised, as if circumcised was the normal state of a penis. I prefer the term traditional, or natural.
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Why does a penis with foreskin have to be called uncircumcised, as if circumcised was the normal state of a penis. I prefer the term traditional, or natural.
Because that is how language works. I suspect that in time if circumcision becomes less and less common the language will eventually reflect that.
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"...harem warfare? like all your wives dressup and go paintballing?"
Why does a penis with foreskin have to be called uncircumcised, as if circumcised was the normal state of a penis. I prefer the term traditional, or natural.
I equate male circumcision to piercing a girl's ears when they are a baby. No one is traumatized by it.
The difference is that the little girl can choose to not wear earrings when she gets older and other than a tiny scar, it won't be any different than if she hadn't been pierced in the first place.
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Why does a penis with foreskin have to be called uncircumcised, as if circumcised was the normal state of a penis. I prefer the term traditional, or natural.
The technical terms are actually helmet and ant eater.
Do you think that's because they're actually more aesthetically or sexual pleasing, or because that's what every picture of every penis they've ever seen looks like. I always found it absured that in sex-ed class all the penises were circumcised.
Never heard any complaints personally.
I really don't see how cutting off a piece of one's body at birth could be considered a good idea. It's like chopping off your toe so you can't stub it.
I don't think a skin flap is equatable to a toe.
I personally feel circumcised penises are more aesthetically pleasing, but I'm probably biased because I have one.
It seems a little odd to me that most of the opposition to circumcision in this thread appears to be coming from people that aren't circumcised.
If men that are circumcised are completely happy with it, why the activism from the other side?
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Perhaps something like this would prompt many parents to think it is a good idea:
While I'm sure painful and uncomfortable for stang, it's a small percentage of people that have medical issues that require a circumcision. Much smaller than many forms of medical issue or injury. Should we take everyone's appendix out at birth? Arguably much more reasonable. There are countless ailments that could befall the body that require painful and potentially life-altering surgeries. How many of them involve the removal of a piece of a child's body? To my knowledge, only life-threatening ones.
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All three of my boys are adopted, and came intact. My wife and I never gave the question much consideration, but as a circumcised man with a healthy and fulfilling sex life I occasionally wonder about whether or not this was the right decision. Having no memory of my own foreskin, I was completely lost when it came to teaching my kids about penile hygiene. I told them to keep it clean with no real insight about procedure beyond my own experience. At this point my kids are approaching adulthood and pretty much on there own to monitor their own penile health.
Isn't this something you could have easily researched?
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I don't think a skin flap is equatable to a toe.
I personally feel circumcised penises are more aesthetically pleasing, but I'm probably biased because I have one.
I personally feel that women with smaller breasts and dark hair are more aesthetically pleasing. I would never advocate that they all be made to be that way.
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It seems a little odd to me that most of the opposition to circumcision in this thread appears to be coming from people that aren't circumcised.
Really? You find that odd?
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If men that are circumcised are completely happy with it, why the outrage?
Well try having every piece of media or social interaction involving this subject tends to lean towards uncut being anywhere from slightly abnormal, not as good, to all out gross, despite it being our natural state of being. And despite pretty much all anecdotal evidence being to the contrary with some women not even noticing after multiple sexual encounters, because when it's up it all looks pretty much the same. Then you might understand why we are, at best, a little bit confused about North America's overall stance on this.
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