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Old 07-09-2018, 10:38 PM   #81
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No, I was running one of the satellite depots. Downtown wouldn’t hire me when I moved here in the 90s.

My father in law was a 30 year man. It destroyed him when they laid him off. The beginning of the end was the moron who tried to turn it into an airline. They didn’t put in modern tracking, it was just a backward operation.
Not the one that used to be on Manhattan...
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Turkey is a big country, and the bus service there is excellent. A dozen or more competing private companies. The buses are new, clean, comfortable. They have TVs, bus attendants, and snacks. They stop at efficient cafeteria-style restaurants en route. And these aren't short jaunts - I've taken 8, 12, 16 hour trips on them. It's a very pleasant way to travel, and far better than Greyhound.
It's like that in a lot of developing countries.

The overhead involved in operating a bus company is a fraction of what it costs in Canada, and the number of people with access to private vehicles is also way lower.

So there are more customers, and the service is cheaper to operate.

Its not comparable.
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Discount airlines can't beat $70 return trip between Edmonton and Calgary, as an example. But I imagine the longer distances you travel, the more appealing the airline is.

Even Red Arrow - at $140 round trip between Edmonton and Calgary - is cheaper than flying between the two cities.
assuming your time is worth nothing
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assuming your time is worth nothing
Time is the same if you follow recommended airport arrival times and acknowledge that an Edmonton to Calgary flight only gets you 2/3rds of the way from downtown to downtown
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Calgary Next back on? Jk. But I wonder what that site can be used for now.
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Time is the same if you follow recommended airport arrival times and acknowledge that an Edmonton to Calgary flight only gets you 2/3rds of the way from downtown to downtown
not in my experience...besides who shows up an hour early for a flight to Edmonton
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Calgary Next back on? Jk. But I wonder what that site can be used for now.
http://www.calgary.ca/PDA/pd/Documen...illage-arp.pdf

CalgaryNext or not, it's been on borrowed time for years. Years ago, there was talk of building a new bus terminal at the Airport, but nothing came of it.
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I knew it, those buses are way too full to be considered a bad business model.
If they're full at rates that don't pay their expenses, and that are the limit of what their costumers will pay, then the business isn't viable.
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US on the other hand was a complete #### show. I took the bus travelling from New York to Boston and DC. The crowds were interesting to say the least.
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I've done long distance intercity bus rides in India, Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam - and the time I took a Greyhound from Calgary to Vancouver is easily the worst experience of all those trips. It's truly a third world level of service.
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What? 5 hours? Thats nothing! Your suffering is inconsequential!

It took like 17 hours to get to Vancouver. To Toronto I was on that bitch for days....DAYS!

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Not the one that used to be on Manhattan...
lol, you bet. We hated you guys.
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lol, you bet. We hated you guys.
Trust me, the feeling was mutual.

I used to go in there all the time, now my office is a stone's throw from there. Right by Holy Smoke.

Do you remember....I cant remember his name off the top of my head, but you cant forget him, tall, handlebar moustache and really long hair. That guy was great.

Yeah, the Greyhound and GCX guys could never get along. I even worked at the old Christmas depot downtown a couple times. That was eery.
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Turkey is a big country, and the bus service there is excellent. A dozen or more competing private companies. The buses are new, clean, comfortable. They have TVs, bus attendants, and snack service. They stop at efficient cafeteria-style restaurants en route. And these aren't short jaunts - I've taken 10, 12, 15 hour trips on them. It's a very pleasant way to travel, and far better than Greyhound.

Spoiler!
Turkey 783,356 km2 80,810,525 people
Alberta 661,848 km2 4,067,175 people
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dumb question

with Alberta (and the prairies) being small population wise, couldn't we run smaller 20 seater buses with really comfortable seats and charger higher prices?

People might go for that. Will someone start that company to fill this void? How does Red Arrow survive?
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Trust me, the feeling was mutual.

I used to go in there all the time, now my office is a stone's throw from there. Right by Holy Smoke.

Do you remember....I cant remember his name off the top of my head, but you cant forget him, tall, handlebar moustache and really long hair. That guy was great.

Yeah, the Greyhound and GCX guys could never get along. I even worked at the old Christmas depot downtown a couple times. That was eery.
How long ago? I was out of there 20 years ago.
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dumb question

with Alberta (and the prairies) being small population wise, couldn't we run smaller 20 seater buses with really comfortable seats and charger higher prices?
Sask has a few companies doing that with 15-seater vans.
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How long ago? I was out of there 20 years ago.
Oh, not that long ago Grandpappy Habby....

I was out of there about 10 years ago. Started that job at 20 and left at 23, I only worked there for two years and change.

My dad worked for Greyhound for over 30 years.
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My father-in-law probably knows him. He was there about the same amount of time.
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In Canada, the bus is mostly used by the old, the young, and the poor. In other countries (except the US) it is a lot more common for all demographics. I worked at a school in Hungary for a year and when the time came to drive me to Budapest to fly home (about a 3 hour drive), they had to figure out which staff member was available AND had a car. That wouldn't be the case in Canada.

While living there, I would take the bus from the small town in the south into Budapest on weekends and there would be probably a good 10 buses a day that drove that route. The scope of bus service here is just so different to most other places in the world, it's hard to compare.
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dumb question

with Alberta (and the prairies) being small population wise, couldn't we run smaller 20 seater buses with really comfortable seats and charger higher prices?

People might go for that. Will someone start that company to fill this void? How does Red Arrow survive?
The problem is higher prices/better service mostly appeals to better off people, most of whom here are used to using their car.

There will be niche cases (people from small towns to the airport) but that's a tough business model I think.
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This is exciting. I hope the greyhound station is demolished and that area can be turned into a retail and entertainment area.

Is the site contaminated?
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