[Rumour] Brooks: Hamonic could be had. Fox not available.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That tweet makes no sense because the dmen are all so different (well, mostly Hamilton). If Toronto is trying to fill a need, the options would look much more similar.

Made the same offer to all 3 teams when 2 of those Dmen play on the same team

[N-E-B]

My guess is the Flames have identified their core going forward and Hamonic is not a part of it. That’s sounds right to me. I like the guy, I’ll defend the trade to acquire him, but he absolutely should not be untouchable.

That said, I highly doubt the Flames are actively shopping Hamonic.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by keenan87

What a ####ty package from the Leafs.. garbage

Are there actually people who are treating that tweet as serious? Come on.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Are there seriously people who are treating that tweet as serious? Come on.

Probably tens of thousands of mouth-breathing HF Leaf Fans actually.

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Hamonic might be motivated to move to Winnipeg, where's he's even closer to his extended family. That was the primary reason that he requested a trade out of NY to a western Canadian team.

Not sure if the Jets are a good trading partner, though.

Jets already need to move out a right-shot D (probably Trouba).

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I'm not sure I agree. His value could be at its absolute highest now, especially if the team has problems signing him. Considering the log jam on the blue line it would make sense to sell high on the kid as a means to upgrade at forward.

You could've said the same about Gaudreau before he was in the NHL, but that would not have made it wise to sell him. Fox's value is nowhere near his ceiling because of the question marks around his size and transitioning to the NHL. Flames should go for the home run, as prospects who have the potential to be one are a somewhat rare commodity.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I'd hope an 11 point vet Dman is touchable. Can't play into the sunk cost fallacy of forcing something because you initially overpaid if you think there are better fits.

True. But you also don't write off a guy who has shown he can play in this league, after one season where he was adjusting to a new team and the team had a really off-year.

If you sell on every dip, you'll be out of assets pretty quick. Patience is paramount with GMing, and it is definitely warranted with respect to Hamonic.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

True. But you also don't write off a guy who has shown he can play in this league, after one season where he was adjusting to a new team and the team had a really off-year.

If you sell on every dip, you'll be out of assets pretty quick. Patience is paramount with GMing, and it is definitely warranted with respect to Hamonic.

I don't think it's about writing him off. It's about recognizing that a defensive defenseman wasn't what we needed or the best use of assets - so if you get a mulligan that might let you reallocate efficiently, you have to consider it.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SebC

I don't think it's about writing him off. It's about recognizing that a defensive defenseman wasn't what we needed or the best use of assets - so if you get a mulligan that might let you reallocate efficiently, you have to consider it.

Since when is a defensive defenseman not what we needed?

The moment the Flames are in the playoffs, Hamonic's value will skyrocket among fans.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Since when is a defensive defenseman not what we needed?

It is particularly obvious with the hindsight of being 27th in goals for, and because we're talking about what the Flames can do now, it is valid to use hindsight.

But I'd say since about 2007 when everyone was overrating Cory Sarich.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Since when is a defensive defenseman not what we needed?

The moment the Flames are in the playoffs, Hamonic's value will skyrocket among fans.

The problem was that another defenseman of any type wasn't what the Flames really needed. Defense, both in the league and in the system, was by far the strongest part of the franchise. What the Flames lacked, both in the league and in the system, was a top 6 scoring winger. Spending the assets on that position instead of Hamonic would have been a wiser move for the Flames last year, and they need to essentially undo it this offseason by moving a defenseman for a scoring winger. No reason Hamonic shouldn't be in the mix in terms of players Flames could move.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by SebC

It is particularly obvious with the hindsight of being 27th in goals for, and because we're talking about what the Flames can do now, it is valid to use hindsight.

But I'd say since about 2007 when everyone was overrating Cory Sarich.

Yeah, I don't agree.

Last year the Flames had three pressing needs in order of priority: 1) a starting goaltender; 2) a top-four defenseman who can skate; 3) a top-six winger or upgrade at centre. Treliving addressed two of those needs, and the third came back to haunt him. But hindsight does not override the seriousness of the Flames's need for a top-four defensman heading into the 2017–18 season.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Mike F

The problem was that another defenseman of any type wasn't what the Flames really needed. Defense, both in the league and in the system, was by far the strongest part of the franchise. What the Flames lacked, both in the league and in the system, was a top 6 scoring winger. Spending the assets on that position instead of Hamonic would have been a wiser move for the Flames last year, and they need to essentially undo it this offseason by moving a defenseman for a scoring winger. No reason Hamonic shouldn't be in the mix in terms of players Flames could move.

Good lord.

The Flames ended the 2016–17 season with the following four NHL defensemen under contract: Mark Giordano, Dougie Hamilton, TJ Brodie, and Matt Bartkowski. Dennis Wideman and Derek Engelland were unrestricted free agents, and Brett Kulak, Tyler Wotherspoon and Rasmus Andersson were untested.

People forget. But the truth of the matter is that there was a pretty gaping hole on the blue line heading in to the 2017 Entry Draft. Yes, there was also a need for upgrades offence, but this does not mitigate how badly the Flames needed a player like Hamonic at the time, and how important he is at present and into the near future.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Good lord.

The Flames ended the 2016–17 season with the following four NHL defensemen under contract: Mark Giordano, Dougie Hamilton, TJ Brodie, and Matt Bartkowski. Dennis Wideman and Derek Engelland were unrestricted free agents, and Brett Kulak, Tyler Wotherspoon and Rasmus Andersson were untested.

People forget. But the truth of the matter is that there was a pretty gaping hole on the blue line heading in to the 2017 Entry Draft. Yes, there was also a need for upgrades offence, but this does not mitigate how badly the Flames needed a player like Hamonic at the time, and how important he is at present and into the near future.

Flames had Mark Giordano, Dougie Hamilton, and TJ Brodie locked up long term, an elite top 2 pairing and a solid 3-4. They also had an inside line on Michael Stone, who signed a 3 year extension before hitting free agency, and Kulak who had shown he was ready for at least bottom pairing. In the system they had Andersson, Valimaki, Kylington, Fox, etc. There was no gaping hole there the way there was amongst their scoring wingers.

If you didn't look at last season and see that the Flames were massively hampered by a lack of NHL wingers, and that their best approach to addressing that problem is to move a defenseman, all I can say is. . . . Good lord

[I am Beast]

Something along the lines of Hamonic for Trouba, I'd love, but trading Hamonic just after we got him is selling low and short sited... with the youth we have in the AHL that can step up, Brodie should be the first dman to go ( other than Stone ) that have value to fill our forward scoring issues...

[theinfinitejar]

Originally Posted by I am Beast

Something along the lines of Hamonic for Trouba, I'd love, but trading Hamonic just after we got him is selling low and short sited... with the youth we have in the AHL that can step up, Brodie should be the first dman to go ( other than Stone ) that have value to fill our forward scoring issues...

While it would be pretty entertaining to watch the citizens of Winnipeg burn the MTS Centre to the ground, I don't know that it's a likely reason for the Jets to make a trade.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by I am Beast

Something along the lines of Hamonic for Trouba, I'd love, but trading Hamonic just after we got him is selling low and short sited... with the youth we have in the AHL that can step up, Brodie should be the first dman to go ( other than Stone ) that have value to fill our forward scoring issues...

trouba is a pretend tough guy

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by handgroen

trouba is a pretend tough guy

I certainly enjoyed seeing Bennett feed him his lunch.

[I am Beast]

Originally Posted by theinfinitejar

While it would be pretty entertaining to watch the citizens of Winnipeg burn the MTS Centre to the ground, I don't know that it's a likely reason for the Jets to make a trade.

LOL agreed, but I wonder what he'll sign for...

Originally Posted by handgroen

trouba is a pretend tough guy

Its the Aggression on the back end we need, I think we are too passive in our own end.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Flames had Mark Giordano, Dougie Hamilton, and TJ Brodie locked up long term, an elite top 2 pairing and a solid 3-4. They also had an inside line on Michael Stone, who signed a 3 year extension before hitting free agency, and Kulak who had shown he was ready for at least bottom pairing. In the system they had Andersson, Valimaki, Kylington, Fox, etc. There was no gaping hole there the way there was amongst their scoring wingers.

If you didn't look at last season and see that the Flames were massively hampered by a lack of NHL wingers, and that their best approach to addressing that problem is to move a defenseman, all I can say is. . . . Good lord

Sorry, I must have missed the other member of the solid 3-4 in your post. I assume it wasn't Brodie on the left side paired with his clone Brodie on the right side...

The team identified that they were lacking starting level goaltending, a scoring right winger and a solid top four D last off-season. Treliving is of the belief that centres and defencemen are the most important building blocks, and if he couldn't get all three of the Flames' top needs, at least he filled the top two.

That being said, IMO the Flames are currently an elite scoring forward and a reliable 1B/backup goaltender away from being a contender next year. Hopefully Treliving will address these two needs this off-season without subracting from the top D pairing or any of the top scorers, because more scoring is now what the team needs most. That's why trading Hamilton makes no sense unless it's for a 30+ goal scoring forward of a similar age, preferably on a similar contract.