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Old 06-20-2018, 07:16 PM   #81
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Well this is juicy
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It’s probably Brodie for Lindholm.
That would be amazing.
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Anyone expecting the 2nd OA to come with Hanifin and Lindholm are setting themselves up for disappointment.
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Carolina is pretty deep on defence so I don't think they'll bring one in without giving one up. Hamilton for Lindholm and Hanifin is a great deal for the Flames imo. If I'm the Hurricanes, the upgrade from Hanifin to Hamilton is NOT worth giving up Lindholm. As a Flames fan, I'd take that deal and run.
Exactly how this is! It's close but not close enough.
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I’m amazed at how many people want Lindholm so badly. There’s got to be better options for the top 6. I wouldn’t complain if he’s cheap to acquire and sign as there’s still potential there but he’s yet to crack 20 goals.

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Anyone expecting the 2nd OA to come with Hanifin and Lindholm are setting themselves up for disappointment.
Almost like expecting Matt Tkachuk at 5th overall... oh wait lol

Don’t think anyone is expecting the 2nd overall period in any combination of trades... who mentioned this? If they did I’m sure it was in jest.
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I’m amazed at how many people want Lindholm so badly. There’s got to be better options for the top 6. I wouldn’t complain if he’s cheap to acquire and sign as there’s still potential there but he’s yet to crack 20 goals.

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Ya he is pretty underwhelming and should not be the key piece coming back if Hamilton is involved
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I’m amazed at how many people want Lindholm so badly. There’s got to be better options for the top 6. I wouldn’t complain if he’s cheap to acquire and sign as there’s still potential there but he’s yet to crack 20 goals.

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Those look like solid solid numbers for a 23 year old RW who is likely to be signed to a very good value contract that could look like a steal if he takes the next step. He has come close to his peak years and he’s showing consistency; put him on a line Johnny/Mony and I could see him adding goals to those already pretty decent assist totals.

I’d be all for a Hamilton for Hanifin + Lindholm + 2nd round pick.
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Ya he is pretty underwhelming and should not be the key piece coming back if Hamilton is involved
I just don’t get how he’s underwhelming... Bennett so far has been underwhelming and inconsistent - Lindholm has played for a team that id imagine has been pretty tough to get motivated to play for with the circus show that’s been going on in Carolina and the low crowds/fan support. He’s looking like he’s poised to break out IMO and could be a 20/40 60 point guy in the right fit. Loads of more room to grow in his numbers he isn’t even close to his peak years at 23; Right hand shot, can play right wing, can play Center if we run into injuries there too and could become an awesome value contract. Sign me up!
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Those look like solid solid numbers for a 23 year old RW who is likely to be signed to a very good value contract that could look like a steal if he takes the next step. He has come close to his peak years and he’s showing consistency; put him on a line Johnny/Mony and I could see him adding goals to those already pretty decent assist totals.

I’d be all for a Hamilton for Hanifin + Lindholm + 2nd round pick.
How many 0.5ppg players are there across the league that someone could say “put him on the Gaudreau/Monahan line and I could see him adding goals”.

Let’s get someone who’s a proven scorer and pay the cost.
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I’m amazed at how many people want Lindholm so badly. There’s got to be better options for the top 6. I wouldn’t complain if he’s cheap to acquire and sign as there’s still potential there but he’s yet to crack 20 goals.

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Young players almost always continue to improve in their early to mid 20’s. It’s very reasonable to expect Lindholm to continue to progress and get better. Just like we should expect guys like Bennett, Lazar, Tkachuk, Monahan, Hanifin, Domi, etc to continue to improve.

The amount of posters on here that think an almost 22 year old Sam Bennett isn’t likely to improve or that a 23 year old Lindholm is as good as he’ll get is baffling to me. Hanifin still has loads of room to grow as well and is nowhere near fully developed.

It’s normal and expected for players to continue to improve and grow in their early 20’s. People want Lindholm because he’s young, skilled, can skate and is a right shot. Hanifin, Bennett, Lindholm all have higher upside than what they’ve achieved so far.

We expect players like Andersson and Jankowski to improve, why would we think differently of kids like Bennett or Lindholm just because they made the NHL earlier? Just because you make the NHL earlier does not mean you stop improving in your early 20’s.
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How many 0.5ppg players are there across the league that someone could say “put him on the Gaudreau/Monahan line and I could see him adding goals”.

Let’s get someone who’s a proven scorer and pay the cost.
So you think Lindholm couldn’t increase to 20/25 goals a year playing alongside Johnny/Mony ?? I don’t think it’s a reach at all.
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Lindholm is consistent. Those numbers paint a model of consistency that we sorely need. I for one feel Lindholm is going to be a consistent 20-25 goal scrorer with a few season where those numbers are exceeded.

What I love about Lindholm is what a lot of people love about Tkachuk. He a really good player below the goal line and around the net. Chucky lite.

Just a glimpse of what he was doing in Carolina.

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So you don’t think Lindholm couldn’t increase to 20/25 goals a year playing alongside Johnny/Mony ?? I don’t think it’s a reach at all.
My favourite is how some posters say lindholm has plateaued. Wouldn't that mean mony has peaked also? If lindholm can't improve on his numbers then Bennett probably can't either.
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Young players almost always continue to improve in their early to mid 20’s. It’s very reasonable to expect Lindholm to continue to progress and get better. Just like we should expect guys like Bennett, Lazar, Tkachuk, Monahan, Hanifin, Domi, etc to continue to improve.

The amount of posters on here that think an almost 22 year old Sam Bennett isn’t likely to improve or that a 23 year old Lindholm is as good as he’ll get is baffling to me. Hanifin still has loads of room to grow as well and is nowhere near fully developed.

It’s normal and expected for players to continue to improve and grow in their early 20’s. People want Lindholm because he’s young, skilled, can skate and is a right shot. Hanifin, Bennett, Lindholm all have higher upside than what they’ve achieved so far.

We expect players like Andersson and Jankowski to improve, why would we think differently of kids like Bennett or Lindholm just because they made the NHL earlier? Just because you make the NHL earlier does not mean you stop improving in your early 20’s.
Never said he won’t improve, but if we’re trading assets we need to be using them for more guaranteed top 6 production like Kessel or Panarin, or using cap room for someone like Neal. Haven’t we had enough hoping on potential while we pass over proven production?
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So you think Lindholm couldn’t increase to 20/25 goals a year playing alongside Johnny/Mony ?? I don’t think it’s a reach at all.
No I don’t. He’s had time with Skinner, Aho, Teravainen and Staal. All who put up way better numbers.
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So you think Lindholm couldn’t increase to 20/25 goals a year playing alongside Johnny/Mony ?? I don’t think it’s a reach at all.
So you’re underwhelmed with Bennett but see potential in Lindholm?

Maybe I misread that, sorry if I did.

But anyone else clamouring over the potential in Lindholm should also be in Bennetts corner.
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I'd be happy to add Lindholm bit Hamilton is an absolute stud that you dont give up for anything short of an amazing deal. Even with Hanifin like some have suggested
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I firmly believe Hamilton's career trajectory is "perennial Norris-candidate and guy who wins championships."
I do not share your optimism.

However, if we were trading him, I want an elite forward in return.

Or a very good forward and an elite prospect.
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If Hamilton does go in a deal to Carolina I would love to see this

Carolina trades hanifin to Vancouver for their 1st.

Carolina then trades Calgary Vancouver's 1st, Lindholm + Skinner for Hamilton
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