[Signing] Sharks sign Evander Kane to extension (7 years, $7 million AAV)

[MissTeeks]

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

His last team gave him a $7x7 contract.

And teams would have lined up to offer him similar deals.

The proof of his value is in what other knowledgeable GM's think he is worth.

You don't know this. You only have one "knowledgeable" GM that believes his values is 7x7.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

That's a terrible argument.

If that was always the case, Ehrhoff would not have been bought out with 700 billion left on his deal. Yashin wouldn't have been on the Islanders cap for 10 years after he was bought out.

GM's make mistakes all the time. See: Brouwer, Troy.

True story.



Rick Dipietro will be collecting money from the NHL until 2029. He last played 3 games in the NHL in 2013.

[Oling_Roachinen]

At least with DiPietro, you could claim injury issues that fall outside of the GMs control. Not that it was ever a good contract, but without having his head bashed in and his hip broken maybe it's not so bad.

[GioforPM]

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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

So, to stick with our current example, you also think Brouwer is of fair value.

He was at the time of his deal, assuming other GM's would have offered comparable deals.

I get that not all contracts pan out, but they do show the relative values that GM's place on particular skill sets of players at the time they were signed.

GM's believe that Kane has a far superior skill set to Brouwer based on what they were willing to pay for that skill set.

Now, they may turn out to be wrong, but I will take the opinion of a group of knowledgeable GM's over a few posters who claim that Kane is not much different than Brouwer.

Today, Kane was offered $7Mx7 years. Brouwer would likely be lucky to get a contract for more than minimum. Yet some claim they have similar skill sets. The market suggests otherwise.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Perfectly reasonable contract.

I'm willing to give Kane a pass on his supposed attitude problems. People grow up and mature. People may not get along with specific individuals. His current teammates/coach have all praised him. Even if he has an attitude, so what if he produces on the ice. Many NFL/NBA players have huge egos but are superstars on the field.

I'm also skeptical of injury history. If a running back has a history of groin or foot injuries, that is a red flag. Kane's injuries seem to be random. If anything, his value is underrated since people will discount him due to low counting totals. Moreover, he was likely playing hurt for durations of his games, further depressing his totals. A fully healthy Kane should project much higher than his historics.

Guy has size, toughness, goal scoring touch, and takes a regular shift on the PK. Nothing outrageous about this contract at all.

I agree in not holding a players past against them for their entire career, but I have a hard time believing this guy has really changed all that much. He's matured to learn when to hold back, but I think his arrogance flares up more than I'd want in a locker-room still.

Just January he was making the news for pissing off teammates:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...kane-practice/
“Shut the [expletive] up, you selfish [expletive],” Buffalo defenceman Justin Falk screamed at Evander Kane before shoving the Sabres’ star winger[...]
... is probably not what I want on my team. They talk in that article about how this happens all the time, and I believe it. But when it's happening around him it shows more of the same.

I don't doubt that his time with the Sharks went well, but it's a pretty short time for a guy to keep his stuff together. His rap-sheet of pissing people off and arrogance is pretty long and I don't think we've heard the end of it. The Sharks are probably aware of the gamble, and if it pays off this will be a great deal. I'm not holding my breath though...

[Scroopy Noopers]

The market can suggest whatever it wants. But their stats are written in stone, which show minimal differences between players.

[Karl]

Comparing Brouwer vs Kane is not a good comparison. They're at vastly different stages.

Kane is 26 and is perhaps at the end of being in his prime. He might be starting his decline now but he is in a much better state than Brouwer, and it's not just because he's got a freshly minted whopper.

Brouwer on the other hand is 32, on a MASSIVE decline in his skills and well into that decline, and is now looking like his days of being an NHL calibre player are a thing of the past.

[Corral]

the problem for us with this contract is it makes it pretty much out of the question for any UFA equal to or better than Kane to sign here as his contract seems to be our salary ceiling. And Kane isn't elite good. He's good in spurts when interested.

[Red]

The guy's been a disrespectful ahole all his career, he is not going it to change now. He is what he is and I guess the Sharks feel they have enough leaders on the team to curb that.

I think the same things were said when he got run out of Winnipeg. He got a DUI in Buffalo before the season even started.



I know people mature, but how many players with deep flaws actually changed? This isn't about lack of effort or poor defensive play, this is about changing someone's character. You don't learn to be a quality person.

[Vinny01]

What is JVR going to get? $7.5-$8.5M?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Corral

the problem for us with this contract is it makes it pretty much out of the question for any UFA equal to or better than Kane to sign here as his contract seems to be our salary ceiling. And Kane isn't elite good. He's good in spurts when interested.

I don't think free agency was ever the answer for the Flames in regards to the RW position. Honestly has free agency ever been the answer for anyone? It's like a minefield of horrible contracts that you have to carefully navigate around to find the ones that didn't blow up in the face of teams. I'm sure they would have kicked the tires on Kane and maybe James Neil but how much do you want to spend on what's ultimately going to be a complementary winger on the first line? They are likely going to have to address this via trade.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Red

The guy's been a disrespectful ahole all his career, he is not going it to change now. He is what he is and I guess the Sharks feel they have enough leaders on the team to curb that.

I think the same things were said when he got run out of Winnipeg. He got a DUI in Buffalo before the season even started.



I know people mature, but how many players with deep flaws actually changed? This isn't about lack of effort or poor defensive play, this is about changing someone's character. You don't learn to be a quality person.

You have a source on that claim? I think you are confusing with O'Reilly who crashed into a Tim Hortons.

[Oling_Roachinen]

It was O'Reilly who got the DUI.


Kane was just sued for allegedly raping someone, and accused of attacking three other women at the bar including trying to force one to get into a car.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Weitz

You have a source on that claim? I think you are confusing with O'Reilly who crashed into a Tim Hortons.

Doesn't get much more Canadian than this. Drunk toothless hockey player runs into Tim Hortons.

That being said it was stupid mistake, one he surely regrets and I'd take ROR on this team in an instant, well before Kane.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

What is JVR going to get? $7.5-$8.5M?

Apparently.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Weitz

You have a source on that claim? I think you are confusing with O'Reilly who crashed into a Tim Hortons.

Yes, my mistake.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Karl

Comparing Brouwer vs Kane is not a good comparison. They're at vastly different stages.

Kane is 26 and is perhaps at the end of being in his prime. He might be starting his decline now but he is in a much better state than Brouwer, and it's not just because he's got a freshly minted whopper.

Brouwer on the other hand is 32, on a MASSIVE decline in his skills and well into that decline, and is now looking like his days of being an NHL calibre player are a thing of the past.

Yeah, comparables to Brouwer are just nonsensical.

But for forwards, peak is generally accepted as 27. So if Kane follows normal trajectory, the Sharks will get maybe one or two peak years out of Kane, and then a long decent. But that's not a big deal, as their window is going to close within a couple years as well. So, go for it now, then try to dump off Kane's contract around 2020 or 2021 when the rebuild/retool happens and before his decline becomes pronounced..

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Corral

the problem for us with this contract is it makes it pretty much out of the question for any UFA equal to or better than Kane to sign here as his contract seems to be our salary ceiling.

The Flames have their "top 9" signed, the top 5 defenseman and starting goaltender for 62.5M (this includes ~1M in buyouts). That leaves 8 players to sign (or promote).

The only FA of concern is Jankowski and he has 25 NHL points in his career.

Let's say the Flames;
Sign Jankowski to 1.5M.
Even get a decent backup for 2M.
Sign or promote 5 depth players for ~5M.

That's 71M. Bettman was saying that the cap could rise to 82M. Even if it goes to 80M, that should be 9M to spare for one position if they really wanted to.