Time to ban Pitbulls from Calgary

[Snuffleupagus]

I have nothing to say on a personal level as I'm a cat guy but my brother in law was a dog trainer for 30+ years for the RCMP, TSA and the Canadian forces, He's trained many types of dogs for every type of chore, drug sniffing, tracking, weapons,guards... etc. But he has always called Pit-bulls, Bull Terriers and Bulldogs the dumbest, the most dangerous and most useless breeds on the planet. He claims they are a one family and even one owner dogs that are un-trainable and can never be trusted.

Obviously I trust what he says but he also doesn't like the Dalmatian breed either, but not because they're dangerous just because of the one owner thing.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by -TC-

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I lump this in with the people who want to kill all the sharks because they attack people..or bears, or cougars... and on and on.

Kill them? No.

But I don't think people should own sharks, bears or cougars as pets either as it would probably be a disaster too.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Yes. I am all in for banning Calgarians from owning sharks, bears and cougars too. Would you seriously leave your kids alone with those pitbulls being imported from kill shelters in the States?

I wouldn't leave my kids alone with any large dogs I didn't know. Would you leave your kids alone alone with a Lab from a kill shelter?

Get rid of pitbulls, get ready to for the next 'dangerous dog de jour' . Will it be Rotties? Dobermans? German Shepherds? My money is on the Cane Corso. Think of a pitbull only bigger.




The people that breed pitbulls for fighting or just want to own a status symbol will move on to the next 'tough breed' to turn in to North Americas'
next killer dog.

[dissentowner]

For the record when my oldest boy was a toddler we had an albino Pit Bull named Champ, he was a true Pit Bull, not one of the multiple mixed breeds that get labeled the same. That dog was the friendliest suck of a dog I have ever owned and I have owned quite a few dogs. Unfortunately he got cancer and had to be put down. When my son was 11 he got bit on the arm by my parents black lab. Any dog can bite and any dog that is medium sized or bigger can do serious damage to a person. To say Pit Bulls are worse than any other breed though is ignorance promoted by the media because that sells.

https://www.rover.com/blog/important-pit-bull-facts/

[blankall]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

For the record when my oldest boy was a toddler we had an albino Pit Bull named Champ, he was a true Pit Bull, not one of the multiple mixed breeds that get labeled the same. That dog was the friendliest suck of a dog I have ever owned and I have owned quite a few dogs. Unfortunately he got cancer and had to be put down. When my son was 11 he got bit on the arm by my parents black lab. Any dog can bite and any dog that is medium sized or bigger can do serious damage to a person. To say Pit Bulls are worse than any other breed though is ignorance promoted by the media because that sells.

https://www.rover.com/blog/important-pit-bull-facts/

Any dog can bite or go crazy. Not all dogs are bred for their ability to fight and kill.

[metallicat]

I've said this before: pitbulls attract ######bag owners. They just do. Not all owners, just a good number of them. So you have ######bag owners that don't train their dogs properly, or don't exercise them, or do stupid crap like running the dog simply to build it's muscles (I knew a guy that did that), and combine those owners with dogs that have huge energy levels, massive strength, and massive bite power. It's a terribly bad combination.

I don't like pitbulls and never will. You can't argue that little chihuahuas are worse because they bite a lot as well. Their bite is about as bad as a mosquito.

Yes I'm sure some pitbulls can be nice. But when I lived in small town Alberta, our dog part was attended by a fairly small group of people. The real problem dogs were ALWAYS the pitbulls. Always. The owners in most cases could not physically handle their strength, and problems happened because these stupid dogs don't have good bite inhibition and their stupid owners let them get that way.

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by Zevo

I wouldn't leave my kids alone with any large dogs I didn't know. Would you leave your kids alone alone with a Lab from a kill shelter?

Get rid of pitbulls, get ready to for the next 'dangerous dog de jour' . Will it be Rotties? Dobermans? German Shepherds? My money is on the Cane Corso. Think of a pitbull only bigger.




The people that breed pitbulls for fighting or just want to own a status symbol will move on to the next 'tough breed' to turn in to North Americas'
next killer dog.

Those shouldn't be allowed either. Again, who owns them? ######bags.

[activeStick]

Wow very surprised to see labs at number 2

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Of course there are other large breeds that could kill a human but once a pitbull latches on, isn't it impossible for them to let go because of their bite strength?

and yes this is a stereotype but I don't want any of these "american" pitbulls in my city!

2016 Fatal Dog attack by Breeds in the US

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by blankall

Any dog can bite or go crazy. Not all dogs are bred for their ability to fight and kill.

Except any dog that remotely resembles a pit bull is labeled as one. Do you have any idea how rare actual true Pit Bull's are? As for breeding for the ability to fight and kill you are buying into media nonsense. Any medium or large dog can be bred to fight and kill and many breeds of dog actually were originally bred for just that reason.

[FLAMESRULE]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Wow very surprised to see labs at number 2

It's likely because there's a huge number of them relative to pitbulls. All dogs are dangerous, they investigate with their teeth. Problem is Pit Bulls dont let go and will shred you.

[jayswin]

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[jayswin]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The problem is always the owner.

They're also a problem because they're nigh unstoppable once triggered.

Just figured I'd isolate these two sentences for juxtaposition.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by metallicat

Those shouldn't be allowed either. Again, who owns them? ######bags.

I just spent a week with four killer dogs. A Cane de Corso included. Its owner is 5'2" and about 110 lbs. She walked into a junk yard to find stuff for an art project one day, marched up to the chained killer guard dog, unchained him, walked into the office and asked "Which one of you $%#*'s is responsible for the chain wounds around my new dog's neck?" So yeah. A combination of ######bags and some really amazing people. It transitioned from killer guard dog to patsy very quickly and while I never had trouble with any of them I would never want to take the risk. You don't have a chance at controlling a dog that big and strong.

But I would like to at least pet a kangal dog. They're amazing.

[Minnie]

I love Pitties. Properly trained, WELL trained, and they're a great dog. Same with any of the big dogs. But, I wouldn't own one, simply because I don't have the wherewithal to give it the time and attention it needs, nor the strength and also because most likely, someone in my house will be allergic to the dang thing.

Corsos are beautiful dogs but same story as a Pittie. When I was a kid, it was the Dobermans that everyone was ####ting all over. In my teens, the Rotties. Now the dog du jour to hate on are Pitties (which is an umbrella name for several breeds - American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Bully, Staffordshire Bull Terrier - American Bulldog is also sometimes included).

Presa Canarios are another large breed that have a checkered past in terms of attacks, the most famous (or at least the one most generally well known by people) being the Diane Whipple attack in San Francisco in 2001. I've met a couple, and they were beautiful dogs, well trained, friendly and fun to play with - although the black ones look like Satan himself has come around in dog form (same with black Corsos).

I hate that with most of these breeds, the breed standard is, or has been, to dock their ears and tails, which tends to make them look even more fierce, which I suppose is the point for some people. I believe that more and more vets are refusing to dock ears and tails, but there will always be some dooosh vet that will do it. I don't think it does the dogs any favours, to know pain from such an early age.

All beautiful dogs, if I had the wherewithal to train them properly and very well, and the strength to handle them, I'd consider it, on private property out of town. I will never ever own any large dog breed of any kind in town/in a city. But, I know that I can't physically handle the breed, and they need a strong owner, not just physically but in every other sense as well.

Oddly enough, 2 breeds I won't ever personally consider owning that aren't a bully breed, are border collies and poodles (of any size). Border collies have always made me uneasy, I find them sneaky and bullheaded and mean. Poodles are vindictive dogs and mean when they want to be just because they can be - we had a couple over the years when I was growing up and they were turds if they got mad at you. We fostered one when my kids were little and he was a royal turd too- we left him at home one day and he got up on a chair and chewed the seat out of it, simply because he was mad at being left at home - but grocery stores tend to take a dim view of anything other than service dogs being on the premises. That was the last time and will never again own one or foster one.

I don't know what the answer is with these large breeds. They need specific training and handling and they don't often get it and THAT is, simply put, the fault of the owner. I used to defend them to the ends of the earth, because often, it isn't the dog's fault, it is the owner. They have no idea how to handle them, or train them, and the dog doesn't get enough exercise or mental stimulation. They end up chained and bored and stressed out. I don't know if the answer is banning them - it's never worked with other breeds that have been in the same boat as Pitties are now. I sometimes wonder if the answer is that the dogs must be specially tagged/registered and owners must exhibit that they are training alongside their animal and provide evidence of such monthly, to animal control wherever they live, and multiple other things. I don't know. Everyone wants the right to own any dog they please, few want to face the responsibility that goes with it and again, that is the fault of the human, not the dog.

However, I do think any breed, you can have a whacked dog - we fostered a small terrier once and that dog was just plain doo-lally, and IMO, needed to be euthanized. What the rescue ever did with it, I have no idea but we took it back to them fairly quickly, because there wasn't a thing we could do to train it, or win it over. It cowered under the bed and constantly crapped/stress diarrhea'd everywhere and snapped at every last person in the house - and my kids were older teens/young adults at the time. I can't imagine how it would have handled young children.

Tough subject. I love critters, dogs especially. But, I know what I can handle/deal with, and what I can't, so....

[Nage Waza]

Fighting breeds have been bred to fight. One method used by breeders is to take a litter of puppies and take them into a different room from a human. If a puppy goes back to the human they are put down. Multiple generations are processed this way. You wind up with dogs that fear humans. Of those that survived, the biggest and angriest get to breed. Over time you get a pretty dangerous dog. This doesn't make them a fighter, they do other things for that, but you still have a potentially dangerous dog.

Under 200 generations of humans since the pyramids, thousands for the dog breeds we see today, mainly due to humans creating breeds with specific purposes. There are new breeds popping up all the time. To say that a certain breed doesn't have the potential to do exactly what it was designed to do is silly...these things are very hard to train a dog not to do.

Besides pitbulls, there are several other very dangerous breeds. Any dog can be dangerous though, especially to kids.

[afc wimbledon]

The problem with pit bulls is that generally both the dog and the owner are dumber than a rock.
You can get away with a dumb dog and a smart owner or a smart dog and a dumb owner but both together is always a problem.

[dissentowner]

The most aggressive breeds of dog that I have consistently seen mean and distempered are Chows and Dalmatians. Seriously, Disney might think they are cute but I have never encountered one that wasn't nasty.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I have nothing to say on a personal level as I'm a cat guy but my brother in law was a dog trainer for 30+ years for the RCMP, TSA and the Canadian forces, He's trained many types of dogs for every type of chore, drug sniffing, tracking, weapons,guards... etc. But he has always called Pit-bulls, Bull Terriers and Bulldogs the dumbest, the most dangerous and most useless breeds on the planet. He claims they are a one family and even one owner dogs that are un-trainable and can never be trusted.

Obviously I trust what he says but he also doesn't like the Dalmatian breed either, but not because they're dangerous just because of the one owner thing.

Either you're misquoting him or your brother has zero clue what he's talking about.

Bulldogs may not be the smartest but they aren't aggressive and they are the furthest thing from untrainable and the furthest thing from one owner dogs. If he knew anything about dogs he'd know that isn't true of Pittbulls and bull terriers either.

Police and armed forces use working type dogs and guard type dogs like shepherds for a reason. If you're trying to train a bulldog to be a drug sniffing or criminal chasing type of dog then its the trainer that's the problem not the breed. Your brother has a clear bias toward a certain type of dog for training because that's the kind of dog he's supposed to be training.

If any trainer told me a breed was stupid, useless and untrainable I'd suggest they aren't a good trainer.

Here's another problem with Pitbull statistics. A study done in Florida with vets and dog shelter breed experts mis identified dogs as Pitbulls.

21% were recognized as Pitbull type dogs using DNA while 52% were actually labelled as Pitbulls by veterinarians and shelter staff.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...9002331500310X

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The problem with pit bulls is that generally both the dog and the owner are dumber than a rock.
You can get away with a dumb dog and a smart owner or a smart dog and a dumb owner but both together is always a problem.

Pitbulls aren't considered dumb dogs. They just aren't. They are generally considered to be very smart. Many of their owners are not but that's the case for a lot of dog owners. The same people that refuse to train their little dog because it can't do damage are just as moronic as bad Pitbull owners. When a little dog attacks a big dog and is killed that's on the little dog owner.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The most aggressive breeds of dog that I have consistently seen mean and distempered are Chows and Dalmatians. Seriously, Disney might think they are cute but I have never encountered one that wasn't nasty.

Dalmatians are insane. Like they actually have a problem.