Spoilers...Avengers: Infinity War Spoilers Thread

[Coach]

Infinity War just proves that committing to the characters behind the stories (regardless of how ridiculous they may seem on paper) and long-term investment into shared stories can pay off. But they have to focus on the stories, not just the novelty.

Like this one, as noted, Thanos is a fully formed character. They didn't need to develop any of the heroes so they spent the entire film developing the villain, one who, on paper, sounds ludicrous and overpowered. So they have him exercise restraint. Have empathetic reasons and motives. And ultimately win.

I expected people to die, but I did not expect Thanos to come out victorious. It was a nice change that left me pretty stunned at the end.

[codynw]

Has anyone seen a high quality image of Red Skull with his hood up yet? I can't find anything.

[Pizza]

Watched it yesterday and wow, I can't believe Disney would have the stones to go this dark and kill so many heroes in a PG film

The best part about watching with casual fans is that they don't know this was a two part movie. For all they know, the Infinity war was #3 in the avenger trilogy.

You can tell when half the heroes turned to dust and the last scene where Thanos looked over the cliff and smiled, everyone in the theatre were looking for one last scene where somehow everything was reversed, Thanos is defeated, all are eating shwarma in NY.

Nope. Credits roll. lol

I can't imagine how many kids out there are balling their eyes and parents are trying to comfort their young ones that it's just a movie

During the credits, my wife and her friend were so stunned and they turned to me and asked "WTF? that can't be it? isnt there more??"
I had to hold my tongue and said "That's it. Forever long going forward in the Marvel universe, they all are ruled by Thanos. The End"

It's too bad in this day in age with smartphones, people could immediately google the real story, otherwise i could've enjoyed a few minutes longer of the theatre's disbelief

Anyways, outside of the Vision/Scarlet witch love story that nobody cared about... Well done Disney!

[blankall]

What I'm surprised about is that critically this movie is not doing as well as previous movies. It's at 84%, which is good, but a lot of the fresh reviews are pretty mixed. I really liked this movie a lot more than some of the better reviewed Marvel films.

As someone with a big comic book background, including having read the many infinity wars comics, I wonder if this movie is harder for casual fans to appreciate. Did anyone go with a non-comic book fan that had trouble watching the movie?

Anyways, I really liked the depiction of Thanos, although slightly different from the comic book. They obviously had to change things without the motivating factor of lady death. I also don't think I saw Thanos grin once. He was more of the cold calculating Titan than the mad Titan.

Comic book spoilers:

Spoiler!

Also no hint of Adam Warlock. I'm assuming they'll introduce him after showing his cocoon.

[Nadal Fan]

My wife who has never read a comic before and has seen only about half the marvel movies loved it, so I don't think there is a problem for general audiences.

I think some reviewers are just snobby and angry at how well comic book movies are doing. Perhaps critics are judging this movie as if it's the first in the series instead of the 19th, we don't need characterisation moments anymore. This is definitely a movie for the fans, who have seen all the previous ones.

I wrote my last message from a Drs. Waiting room after being there for an HR haha. The MCU is the most successful movie franchise of all time every franchise falls short when compared to them. Transformers, pirates of the Caribbean, Star Trek, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings all have made way less money than the MCU. And now the MCU is putting out great movie after great movie, but after there first 5 movies things were more rocky. If people were as harsh to the MCU then as they are to the DC films they may not have lasted this long. Be patience they will find there stride as well. That's the last I'll say about it don't want to hijack the thread.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by blankall

What I'm surprised about is that critically this movie is not doing as well as previous movies. It's at 84%, which is good, but a lot of the fresh reviews are pretty mixed. I really liked this movie a lot more than some of the better reviewed Marvel films.

As someone with a big comic book background, including having read the many infinity wars comics, I wonder if this movie is harder for casual fans to appreciate. Did anyone go with a non-comic book fan that had trouble watching the movie?

Anyways, I really liked the depiction of Thanos, although slightly different from the comic book. They obviously had to change things without the motivating factor of lady death. I also don't think I saw Thanos grin once. He was more of the cold calculating Titan than the mad Titan.

Comic book spoilers:

Spoiler!

Also no hint of Adam Warlock. I'm assuming they'll introduce him after showing his cocoon.

I’d put my money on GOTG 3. I don’t think he’ll feature in Ms Marvel and he for sure won’t be in IW2.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Nadal Fan

My wife who has never read a comic before and has seen only about half the marvel movies loved it, so I don't think there is a problem for general audiences.

I think some reviewers are just snobby and angry at how well comic book movies are doing. Perhaps critics are judging this movie as if it's the first in the series instead of the 19th, we don't need characterisation moments anymore. This is definitely a movie for the fans, who have seen all the previous ones.

I wrote my last message from a Drs. Waiting room after being there for an HR haha. The MCU is the most successful movie franchise of all time every franchise falls short when compared to them. Transformers, pirates of the Caribbean, Star Trek, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings all have made way less money than the MCU. And now the MCU is putting out great movie after great movie, but after there first 5 movies things were more rocky. If people were as harsh to the MCU then as they are to the DC films they may not have lasted this long. Be patience they will find there stride as well. That's the last I'll say about it don't want to hijack the thread.

People have patience. That's why the MCU worked. That's why WB's choice to try and cram everything together made no sense, made people angry, and made for mostly bad stories. The reviews of Cap, Thor, and Hulk 1 were all mixed at best, but the promise of a long term payoff kept people interested. The thing is, if those movies failed, they weren't wasted products. They gave themselves more chances with each character by telling smaller stories leading to larger team ups. DC wanted the payoff right now and blew it. No body cares about any character outside Batman and Wonder Woman.
I hope they can recover, but after bastardizing TDKReturns, it's almost unforgivable for me.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

A few more thoughts after sitting on it for a couple of days:

I was really impressed by how Thor, Doctor Strange, and especially Scarlet Witch came out after this movie. We always knew Thor was a heavy hitter, but Doctor Strange and Scarlet Witch were really established as next level in this one.

Similarly, Vision and Hulk came out not looking so good. Vision was incapacitated for the entire movie despite being in possession of a stone. And Hulk was just fed to Thanos after looking really strong in Ragnarok.

Oh well. You win some, you lose some.

Hulk has overpowered every enemy he had fought with brute strength, until Thanos who was able to match his strength and actually knew how to fight. That scene sucked me into the movie immediately, watching Hulk get manhandled like a street brawler against a pro boxer

One thing I hope they do for Avengers 4 is touch on how Hulk gets stronger as he gets angrier, maybe using Black Widow being killed to send him into a hyper rage and start destroying everything in his path

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Nadal Fan

If people were as harsh to the MCU then as they are to the DC films they may not have lasted this long. Be patience they will find there stride as well. That's the last I'll say about it don't want to hijack the thread.

You really don't seem to understand, MCU vs. DC isn't about patience, it's simply about good movies. Iron Man was great, Thor and Captain America were good, Incredible Hulk was serviceable, and then The Avengers was amazing. Contrast to DC where Man of Steel was bad, MvS was worse, and Justice League was absolutely terrible. Only Wonder Woman so far can be called an objectively good movie, but I would rank it in the middle of the pack compared to Marvel for quality

You seem to think that people are unfair to DC with all of the critisism, when in reality everyone is just spoiled by the quality coming from Marvel that they don't have to suffer the slapped-together schlock coming from the DC side

[FireGilbert]

Thanos also had the power stone to help him against the Hulk.

Thinking of the power stone I am a little confused about it. In GOTG it is stated that if Ronan touches it to the ground the entire planet (Xandar?) will be destroyed yet here is just makes Thanos a little stronger and lets him shoot some purple force power. It seems like a bit of an inconsistency.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by blankall

What I'm surprised about is that critically this movie is not doing as well as previous movies. It's at 84%, which is good, but a lot of the fresh reviews are pretty mixed. I really liked this movie a lot more than some of the better reviewed Marvel films.

As someone with a big comic book background, including having read the many infinity wars comics, I wonder if this movie is harder for casual fans to appreciate. Did anyone go with a non-comic book fan that had trouble watching the movie?

Anyways, I really liked the depiction of Thanos, although slightly different from the comic book. They obviously had to change things without the motivating factor of lady death. I also don't think I saw Thanos grin once. He was more of the cold calculating Titan than the mad Titan.

I have a casual knowledge of the comic books but have been pretty committed to the video media, I've seen all of the movies multiple times (expect BP & IW so far once only), and I am only a few season of the various tv shows behind right now.

My wife would watch most of the movies once with me. She spent her whole reweekend watching various Marvel movies to catch up and figure out what the hell was going on, because she was so enamored with this movie.



Not sure on your opinion based on the source text?

But to me the smartest thing to do would be to have the heroes go back to the 90's (as in the setting of the Captain Marvel Movie) to stop Thanos, then set about some course of events in which Cap was never thawed, Tony never built the Armour and Thor was never cast down to earth, leaving the newer characters in their current state alive and well, possibly even with knowledge of the first universe. This would allow them to let Downy Jr, Hemsworth and Evans walk. It would also given them the opportunity to highlight some of the characters they have brought to the forefront over the past 6 years, allowing them to recast and relaunch some of the major characters in the mid to late 20's when the franchise is ready for a storyline 20 years in the beyond where we started. Best way I can think of to avoid sacrificing the 11 years of continuity that has separated marvel from all other movie franchises. I would worry some would see it as a cop out, but to me the other option is to start killing them, then what happens 7 years from now when you feel the needed to start re-launching the main characters again?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

Thanos also had the power stone to help him against the Hulk.

Thinking of the power stone I am a little confused about it. In GOTG it is stated that if Ronan touches it to the ground the entire planet (Xandar?) will be destroyed yet here is just makes Thanos a little stronger and lets him shoot some purple force power. It seems like a bit of an inconsistency.

It could be used that way, and that's how Ronin wanted to use it because he was a fundamentalist genocidal maniac. Thanos wasn't really looking to kill anyone that wasn't between him an an Infinity Stone. He wanted the stones to balance the universe, and that may have included wiping him out. If I recall there was a moment where he seemed to check himself once people started disappearing.

Also, the idea that he wasn't necessary to wipe out for the sake of balance tells you that there's still a lot of power on the side of good.

[djsFlames]

Very unlike Marvel to ever NOT play it safe with the writing and plot.

Their formula was getting bland and villains just less and less memorable. This movie was a completely and utter anomaly and the fact that they left it with an ending that's sure to make a lot of children very upset or even depressed about their heroes for days after viewing but left it bleak and brutal anyways is extremely ballsy and commendable and groundbreaking in terms of modern cinema storytelling. I know they're based on the comics but they also could've easily limited how dark it got, yet didn't mind going all out.

To have Vision (although not that we ever really developed any connection to the character, be honest) die twice within a minute, and the second time discarded in the most brutal way possible in front of SW, is going into extremely dark territory and add to that the desperation of Spiderman in his last moment. I mean most will probably be resurrected somehow because franchi$e$ but it's pretty unreal to end a movie on that note. I. Like. It. It's bleak, yet fresh.

CGI was better than in previous installments. Groot, Rocket and Thor together was an absolute treat.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I mean most will probably be resurrected somehow because franchi$e$ but it's pretty unreal to end a movie on that note. I. Like. It. It's bleak, yet fresh.

I'm not going to 'pick' on you personally, but I have to admit that this sentiment always amuses me and brings out the "hipster WhiteTiger" a bit. "Do you even read comics, bro?" It's a comic book movie. I thought that one of the most universally understood thing about comics (and ESPECIALLY superhero ones) is that death is nothing even remotely sort of kinda close to permanent.

In a world(s) where the writer can basically make up the rules as they go along, someone will only ever be dead for as long as they are needed to be dead. Death in comics (and in superhero books especially) is really just another plot device.

I have to admit that it does pull some of the gravitas out of a movie when you know that even if they die, they aren't likely really dead. Heck, we could see Quicksilver pop back if he was needed. There is always some way, some how that, if needed, a 'dead' person can be brought back.

It was neat to me, to see who and how...but it didn't really have any emotional impact on me, cause..."I got better."

[GGG]

My one daughter was traumatized with Groot evaporated and Thanos won. Full on melt down how she hated Disney and hated Marvel. In the car she said she was never going to Disneyland again. So while I was disappointed that it's telagraphed that the evaporated people aren't dead she bought in.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

One thing I hope they do for Avengers 4 is touch on how Hulk gets stronger as he gets angrier, maybe using Black Widow being killed to send him into a hyper rage and start destroying everything in his path

remember Ang Lee Hulk who would grow by 3 feet every time he got angrier, until he was as big as a two storey house? good times. but yea with Ruffalo Hulk he doesn't really seem to get stronger or more durable as he absorbs attacks. there's times in the comics where Hulk gets sufficiently pissed that he breaks physical and mystical laws and puts down cosmic level powers with his fists. that obviously would be problem for movie plots if you use it too early but I'm hoping it's in the plans.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I’d put my money on GOTG 3. I don’t think he’ll feature in Ms Marvel and he for sure won’t be in IW2.

More comic book spoilers:

Spoiler!

Adam Warlock's main purpose in much of the comics (well since the 1970s) is to defeat Thanos and then guard the infinity stones.

That being said, it would be a bit lame to bring in Warlock as the solution to Thanos in A4, without having fleshed him out first.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GGG

My one daughter was traumatized with Groot evaporated and Thanos won. Full on melt down how she hated Disney and hated Marvel. In the car she said she was never going to Disneyland again. So while I was disappointed that it's telagraphed that the evaporated people aren't dead she bought in.

Saw it a second time with my wife this weekend and it really hit home just how well done the ending is for similar reasons.

For people that aren't as familiar with the comics that ending was just jarring. Modern cinema has led us to believe the villain never wins, and the good guys always prevail - and to have a movie actually end with not only the villain winning but that many characters just disappearing is a big jump.

Now I can't wait to see how it all plays out in A4 (Probably will be titled Avengers Forever now that I think about it also being part 4).

Also give me a movie titled "Pirate Angel, Rabbit, & Tree" and I will be happy forever. Honestly how would that movie not break all the records.

[blankall]

One thing that did irk me about the movie, was Vision's ability to destroy an infinity stone. They explain that the stones have been around since the beginning of creation, and all of a sudden Vision, who was fairly recently created by Tony Stark, can just take one out? Surely, some cosmic being would have done that in the past, if was a possibility. It seemed more like an excuse to use the time power, which I admit was cool. Although it might have been better if they'd almost killed Thanos, only to seem him resurrect himself. It would have really pushed home the idea of how powerful Thanos has become.

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Saw it a second time with my wife this weekend and it really hit home just how well done the ending is for similar reasons.

For people that aren't as familiar with the comics that ending was just jarring. Modern cinema has led us to believe the villain never wins, and the good guys always prevail - and to have a movie actually end with not only the villain winning but that many characters just disappearing is a big jump.

Now I can't wait to see how it all plays out in A4 (Probably will be titled Avengers Forever now that I think about it also being part 4).

Also give me a movie titled "Pirate Angel, Rabbit, & Tree" and I will be happy forever. Honestly how would that movie not break all the records.

Agreed.

The ending is the price that we pay for rabid fanboyism. My wife is a casual fan of the Marvel movies. She pretty much watches it for Chris Hemsworth and a night out at the movies. But her fangirling largely ends at the theaters. She doesn't know about the Marvel movie studios. She only knows the next movie in the slate is Ant-Man and The Wasp only cos she saw a trailer not too long ago. She didn't know the significance of paging Captain Marvel in the end credits. Suffice to say, she's a pretty casual fan.


But, the ending of this movie really shook her. She said that the Thanos wasn't supposed to "win". When Black Panther started to dissipate and you saw that shocked look on Okoye's face, that was when my wife started to get the sense that #### is getting real. She was borderline annoyed at me for not being saddened about Spider-Man dying (SM is my favorite superhero and she was sure I'd tear up over his loss). Basically, the "emotional" devastation was much more pronounced for her than for me. While I loved the movie, the ending did not have as much of an effect on me simply because of what I knew in the real world. For my wife, the ending was pretty crushing.