[News Roundup] Treliving and the trade deadline

[JohnnyB]

Pretty happy with what they did. I don't see the team as in a position that's worth risking the future for. Next season is where hopes lie right now, so no need to have a rental at a high price. Summer time will be when to get things done, and I think other than coaching the solutions ae mostly internal.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The Flames were trade deadline losers. Our direct competition got better over the past week, and we did not.

It's hard to say BT did great. He may have the proper/smart move not to move assets for what was being asked, but we are not in a better position to make playoffs today then we were a few days ago.

Out of the 7 teams flames are battling, who got better? STL lost a quality player, Dallas, Colorado and Minny stayed put (although Minny lost some depth with Stewart ). ANA did a minor bottom six tweak (just like calgary) leaves LA and SJ and that did something recently. Kane is a polarizing addition for SJ, which who knows if they even go that route had their claim for Stewart gone through. LA adding Dion is a meh addition.

I think we are in a better position as we have a better bottom six going forward.

[EldrickOnIce]

Thumbs up if they make playoffs.
Thumbs down if they don't.
A team that has already moved all its picks has to make the playoffs.
Will judge it then, not now.

[Max Cow Disease]

Yes it’s too early to decide if you ask me. We’ve seen Treliving’s propensity to seek out and make deals quite aggressively, so the fact that he held back this deadline speaks to some sort of reason (on top of the fact that we lacked picks to deal). Calling us a trade deadline loser somewhat assumes, to me, that making the exciting splash by purging a bunch of your assets is always the right move. It isn’t. In fact, I’m not even sure if it’s the right move more often than not.

In a year where it’s been a bit tougher for the team to find its footing for whatever reason, I’m satisfied that we did a bit of window shopping and that there’s still some money in the bank.

[Geeoff]

I'm not a big fan of any of the players that moved at the deadline, except for Ryan McDonagh. I'm really glad we didn't trade for Evander Kane.

Would rather keep Valimaki/Fox/Kylington/Andersson

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The Flames were trade deadline losers. Our direct competition got better over the past week, and we did not.

It's hard to say BT did great. He may have the proper/smart move not to move assets for what was being asked, but we are not in a better position to make playoffs today then we were a few days ago.

This is nonsense.

1. St Louis got worse.
2. Colorado stayed the same
3. Anaheim - does the Chimera trade make them better by giving up a younger Wagner?
4. San Jose - which Evander Kane did they get? The one from the first 2 months of the season, or the one without Eichel on his line? For what they gave up, they are certainly not better in the future and it is questionable that they are better right now.
5. Who did Dallas add as a difference maker?

These are the teams we are competing with.

[rotten42]

When I saw the prices teams were paying for rentals, I was glad BT didn't make a splash. This team still has good bones going into next season. We aren't far enough along this season to go all out in the rental market.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by the2bears

What makes you think this? I didn't see any indication either way.

The Flames were heavily scouting other teams. Conroy's comments they were interested in making a hockey trade and were willing to move one of their roster players to do it.

I have heard Treliving say more than once he knows what the team is missing but that getting it is the hard part. I find it hard to believe he wasn't trying to make a deal to improve the team going forward.

What do you think?

[David Struch]

All those games scouting the Senators and none of the suspected names were moved... Mike Hoffman, Zack Smith, Jean-Gabriel Pageau.

[bigrangy]

I think most people are underrating the Shore add. Considering how most people think Stajan is the Flames worst player, the 4C position has been upgraded immensely.

Stajan isn't the worst player though, and him and Shore will make an awesome combo if GG is smart enough to move one of them to wing.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by David Struch

All those games scouting the Senators and none of the suspected names were moved... Mike Hoffman, Zack Smith, Jean-Gabriel Pageau.

There was a great point on the radio yesterday during the Tre interview. There is no doubt the team wanted to do more on right wing, but the prices were high. However, much like the Hamonic trade, these trades started at the trade deadline 2 years ago and finally came together at the draft last year. All this work is not for nothing...it is just not for right now.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by tkflames

This is nonsense.

1. St Louis got worse.
2. Colorado stayed the same
3. Anaheim - does the Chimera trade make them better by giving up a younger Wagner?
4. San Jose - which Evander Kane did they get? The one from the first 2 months of the season, or the one without Eichel on his line? For what they gave up, they are certainly not better in the future and it is questionable that they are better right now.
5. Who did Dallas add as a difference maker?

These are the teams we are competing with.

Kane makes the Sharks better, and he was playing quite well for the Sabres lately. The Kings got better. The Knights got better. These are teams we are competing with now, or will be if we make the playoffs.

I think it’s entirely fair to call them losers yesterday because they failed to address a significant hole in their roster, a roster that has won one more game than they’ve lost this year. Maybe it’ll be better in the summer when they take another stab at it.

[ricardodw]

In what world is Stewart a better player than any of the guys that the Flames have had rotating on the 4th line?

He started the year with 6 goals and 8 pts in 6 games since then 3 goal 5 pts in 41 games. He is such an asset that the Wild think that they are better off just getting him out of their dressing room.

What is worse than a guy that has borderline talent? That would be some one with lots of talent that plays 90% of the time like he has no talent.


The Flames don't need another head case in the the room. It might be a move by Trevling to get GG to quit so he won't have to fire him.

[JohnnyTitan]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Don't really give a #### if TSN thinks we lost. All I need to do is look at their cup predictions during the offseason, and that tells me all I need to know about their 'credibility'.


Any media outlet who had something similar predicted, then goes on to bash a team for not doing enough at the deadline, their 'professional opinion' is pretty much worthless in my eyes.

That is awesome. I'm sure somewhere TSN was also raving about Reinhart for "Only" picks at the 2015 draft! Lots of TV sizzle! LOL!

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

I might have been a bit over dramatic yesterday, but I still don't believe this does much for the Flames. The biggest issue for the team is depth scoring, does Stewart address that? Considering how these past few seasons went for him, I'm going to guess not. I hope he proves me wrong, though.

It's good we added depth, especially now that there is no roster limit. I am not arguing that. I am saying we needed to add a legit scorer to our top 9, and we didn't do that. For an example, Vanek might have been a good option. He's putting up decent points and cost practically next to nothing.

Like I said, I hope Stewart proves me wrong but as of right now, I don't see how we got better this TD other than increasing our depth with a guy who might or might not work out.

I agree that scoring is the biggest issue. To me the question is "why is scoring the biggest issue"? Is it because of a lack of scoring talent on the team? Maybe but I think in general there is enough guys who know how to score. Is it the systems? Maybe they could play a more north/south style and utilize their speed more effectively. Is it because of player utilization? Maybe the 3M and Jankowski lines could get more offensive zone starts (clearly 3M much more so). Is it because the 4th line always gets trapped on the ice for too long in the defensive zone? Maybe. Is it because some of our players are intimidated when they play bigger teams? Maybe.

I think these are all factors that play into the lack of scoring. Some of them were addressed with these zero cost acquisitions but there's no guarantee that they'll help. Vanek would be a guy to bring in if you're lacking scoring talent but I personally don't think they are. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a legitimate top 6 RW added to this team but I don't think Vanek is it. Plus then we're dealing with Vancouver again and likely have to pay a premium for dealing within the division.

I suspect that the real work on this team will be done in the offseason (eg. moving one of the D for a top 6 RWer). This team is not on the cusp of winning the Cup this year so to overpay at the deadline in a sellers market would be foolish.

I'm happy with what they did now it's up to the coaching staff to utilize these players correctly. I have a little less faith in that.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

In what world is Stewart a better player than any of the guys that the Flames have had rotating on the 4th line?

He started the year with 6 goals and 8 pts in 6 games since then 3 goal 5 pts in 41 games. He is such an asset that the Wild think that they are better off just getting him out of their dressing room.

What is worse than a guy that has borderline talent? That would be some one with lots of talent that plays 90% of the time like he has no talent.


The Flames don't need another head case in the the room. It might be a move by Trevling to get GG to quit so he won't have to fire him.

You've said some ridiculous things here but this has to be top 5.

How is Stewart a headcase?
Do you really think Treliving is afraid to fire Gulutzan?
Where do you come up with this nonsense?

[Mass_nerder]

Can we stop quoting ricardodw?
Some of us have him blocked for a reason.

[Bingo]

I'm just really relieved.

I didn't want any top prospects moved, it wouldn't make sense. Moving picks when you have a young core and a deep prospect base does make sense (Hamonic trade) because with the guys carrying the mail being 20-24 you need guys 19-21 to take a step and add to it.

An 18 year old taken this June in the 16-22 hole is very unlikely to see the light of the NHL for the next three seasons.

So keep the inventory, be patient with the core, and don't go foolishly all in with a season that has been quite odd to date.

And given what Treliving could have spent a first round pick on at this deadline, I'm suddenly much happier with the Hamonic deal.

[jaikorven]

Originally Posted by Bingo

And given what Treliving could have spent a first round pick on at this deadline, I'm suddenly much happier with the Hamonic deal.

Out of thanks, but had to quote for truth.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

And given what Treliving could have spent a first round pick on at this deadline, I'm suddenly much happier with the Hamonic deal.

It's become very clear to me that the time to improve your team via trade is at the draft.

Hamonic and Hamilton deals are proof of that to me.

You pay the same price for rentals at the trade deadline, that you do for guys with term at the draft.