[Trade] Sens trade Phaneuf (25% retained) + Thompson to LA for Gaborik and Shore

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Bennett for Hoffman?

Why would Ottawa trade Hoffman for a bust?

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[Jbo]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

Why would Ottawa trade Hoffman for a bust?

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[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by Jbo

Sneer all you want, it's the truth. Some of you have a real hard time accepting it. Which is ironic because all of you had a very fun time making fun of Oilers and Yakupov. And the situation is very similar. Hell, some you proclaimed earlier this year JP a bust....lol

Bennett was drafted as a potential franchise center, has he shown anything to indicate he could become one?

1) He can't even play center.
2) Makes boneheaded decisions with the puck.
3) takes plenty of dumb penalties
4) He has regressed every year..
5) Inconsistent.

So yes, relative to what was expected of him, Sam Bennett is a bust. And no team will trade you a legit top 6 forward for a guy who has regressed every single year and hasn't even cracked 40 points.

He's relatively young and probably will become a solid middle 6 winger, but those are dime a dozen.

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[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

Sneer all you want, it's the truth. Some of you have a real hard time accepting it. Which is ironic because all of you had a very fun time making fun of Oilers and Yakupov. And the situation is very similar. Hell, some you proclaimed earlier this year JP a bust....lol

Bennett was drafted as a potential franchise center, has he shown anything to indicate he could become one?

1) He can't even play center.
2) Makes boneheaded decisions with the puck.
3) takes plenty of dumb penalties
4) He has regressed every year..
5) Inconsistent.

So yes, relative to what was expected of him, Sam Bennett is a bust. And no team will trade you a legit top 6 forward for a guy who has regressed every single year and hasn't even cracked 40 points.

He's relatively young and probably will become a solid middle 6 winger, but those are dime a dozen.

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Relatively young at 21?

Good thing Ottawa didn't give up on legit top 6 forward Hoffman, as he was 24 before he even could crack the Sens lineup.

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Relatively young at 21?

Good thing Ottawa didn't give up on legit top 6 forward Hoffman, as he was 24 before he even could crack the Sens lineup.

lol

Hoffman was drafted in the 5th round (130th overall), Bennett was a 4th overall pick.

Usually, you expect a top 5 pick to be an impact player in the NHL by the time they are in their 3rd or 4th season. At the very least, they should be progressing towards becoming that. Has Bennett shown that?
Has Bennett shown any development or progression?



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[Love]

Dal Colle is a bust
Bennett is a disappointment

[taco.vidal]

Bennett is bust based on his draft position and the expectations that he would be a franchise centre.

If he was drafted in the mid to late rounds of the draft, then the expectations would be lower. He still might become a third line centre but those werent the expectations when he was ranked high in the 1st round.

[Lanny_McDonald]

If Bennett isn’t already considered a bust, he is definitely on the bus to Bustville, and there is only one more stop left. He is not improving in any way. He does nothing at the elite level. He barely does anything at a high level of competency. He has regressed as a player. That’s pretty busted to me. In fact, Bennett is headed in such a direction that I would say the Flames should be looking at options to improve the team by removing Bennett from the lineup. Until last night, Bennett had a goal and an assist in his last 22 games. Not a good player and not much promise left in him.

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

Bennett is bust based on his draft position and the expectations that he would be a franchise centre.

If he was drafted in the mid to late rounds of the draft, then the expectations would be lower. He still might become a third line centre but those werent the expectations when he was ranked high in the 1st round.

Exactly. Bennett for Hoffman is a pipe dream.

[Love]

Originally Posted by New Era

If Bennett isn’t already considered a bust, he is definitely on the bus to Bustville, and there is only one more stop left. He is not improving in any way. He does nothing at the elite level. He barely does anything at a high level of competency. He has regressed as a player. That’s pretty busted to me. In fact, Bennett is headed in such a direction that I would say the Flames should be looking at options to improve the team by removing Bennett from the lineup. Until last night, Bennett had a goal and an assist in his last 22 games. Not a good player and not much promise left in him.

He was put on the bus by an organization that failed to supply him with offensively gifted linemates to blossom his game and allow him to let his creativity flourish. Instead he was lined up besides Brouwer & Hathaway types and then the fans pouted when he produced like a third liner. Just a sad situation all around.

[monkeyman]

Hoffman, at Bennett's age was splitting time between the AHL and ECHL and didn't break out in the NHL until he was 24, and people are ready to write Bennett off as a bust at 21?

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

Hoffman, at Bennett's age was splitting time between the AHL and ECHL and didn't break out in the NHL until he was 24, and people are ready to write Bennett off as a bust at 21?

Except guys like Hoffman are the exceptions not the norm.

Yeah, Bennett could hit his stride and become a legit top 6 forward in 2 or 3 years. Of course he could. Is it likely? Probably not. So far he hasn't shown anything to suggest it could happen. I could live with a slow progression, but Bennett isn't progressing at all.

Also, fair or not, when you are drafted in the top 5 there are certain expectations of you. It's not the same to be drafted 4th and 130th.



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[LIP MAN]

Man, I'm glad none of you are running this franchise. Running Bennett out of town. He clearly is showing flashes of his offensive instincts. And three organization is being patient with him. Give your heads a shake.

[Poe969]

Some are calling Bennett a bust, some just want to trade him. I'm not saying 100% that he'll be a bust but I do want to trade him. IF (and that's a big if) Bennett turns his game around and turns into a legit top 6 player, it likely won't be for a few years. The Flames need help now, sure they're going to want good players in a few years but they're in win now mode and have spent a lot of assets to get to where they are...and that still isn't good enough. To improve the team right now they need to add a really good player, if trading Bennett+ gets you that player and it makes the team a legitimate contender you have to go for it even if it means losing a player who will be really good in the future.

If the Flames want to improve their team, they'll have to give up value, or at least they'd usually have to give up value. This trade is just another cost cutting move by the sens, to me it looks like they want to make sure they have enough room and money to sign Karlsson long term. If all the sens want to do is save money then they can be taken advantage of. They want cheap assets that will help the team but are still cost controlled, Bennett is under a good contract and likely won't get much of a raise at all until he really improves so he probably holds value to the sens.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

Hoffman, at Bennett's age was splitting time between the AHL and ECHL and didn't break out in the NHL until he was 24, and people are ready to write Bennett off as a bust at 21?

so people shouldn't write off Yakapov or Griffen Reinhart because they might turn it around too? I mean if you're going to use examples saying that some players improve at older ages then any former "bust" can still turn it around too.

[savardandjokinen]

And this has turned into a Sam Bennett thread

[kukkudo]

I predict Bennett will be playing for another team starting of the 2018-2019 season.

[Poe969]

This move by the sens is just a cost cutting move, they get worse IMO but save money. This is just the beginning of their "non fire-sale" and they'll make moves that help save them money. Right now Karlsson is their franchise star player and he's said he's going to get paid on his next contract, the sens are cheap but they want to keep him. They'll likely do whatever they can to keep him and shed salary elsewhere. I think adding a guy like Gaborik to the roster shows that they really don't care what kind of quality comes back in trades as long as they save money.

[Huntingwhale]

Back in EA NHL '08, Gaborik was far and away the best player in that game. I could score glitch backhand goals with him from the blueline. Team Slovakia was my favorite team to use.

I always wanted him in Flames' silks and would gladly take him on this team, even at his age. Injuries are always an issue with him. But he's a great goal scorer in the playoffs, which is something this team will likely need if they make it.

I've always been a big fan of his, since his '03 playoff run with the Wild where they knocked out the Canucks.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Poe969

This move by the sens is just a cost cutting move, they get worse IMO but save money. This is just the beginning of their "non fire-sale" and they'll make moves that help save them money. Right now Karlsson is their franchise star player and he's said he's going to get paid on his next contract, the sens are cheap but they want to keep him. They'll likely do whatever they can to keep him and shed salary elsewhere. I think adding a guy like Gaborik to the roster shows that they really don't care what kind of quality comes back in trades as long as they save money.

Yup - this trade is about signing Karlsson and Stone. I suspect that Gaborik is a stopgap for when they move Hoffman as well.