[Rumour] McKenzie: Flames among the teams most interested in Evander Kane

[locsofblu]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Of course. Just wondering, because plenty of anti-Treliving posters are that way because they disliked Feaster's firing. And since you seem to have a particular hate for the guy, who's been an above average GM in his tenure.

It's not I think he's inept or anything He is a great numbers guy and he does want to improve this hockey club which is great. I just think that his hockey IQ isn't all that great.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Given your pessimistic view on the team do you really think they should be spending more futures on a rental?

Kane likely costs one of our better D prospects ++

Flames don’t have a 1st next year and if they make the playoffs they do not have a 2nd until 2021.

The only way I see Kane coming here is if he is part of a package for a guy like Hamilton who appears to be the biggest need for Buffalo. Hamilton and Brouwer for Kane and RoR with both RoR and Brouwer being retained $1.5M

Sure, lots of reasons to be skeptical of a move like this.

However, you have to ask yourself, what's it going to take for this team to win a cup? You have to take a big swing sometimes. Is Kane the guy to vault us into a contender, probably not. But I'm going to criticize Treliving more for playing it safe instead of going for it when the window is open.

The NHL management culture that being okay is good enough is a joke. Only one team wins the cup. Every move should be evaluated on whether you are trying to win the cup not whether you squeak into the playoffs or claim some other ridiculous meaningless victories.

[868904]

I dangle the Hamilton's and ask for a package involving Kane (UFA) and a young player like Reinhart or McCabe.

Dougie Hamilton has greater value than Reinhart or McCabe and the difference is made up for the Kane rental. This gives Buffalo their "No. 1 defender".

I think the Flames will be fine without Dougie. The defense pairings could be:

Gio/Hamonic - I like this pairing on the PK and think it would be a great shutdown pair
Brodie/Stone - we know it works
Kulak or McCabe/Anderson - if GG insists on the left/right thing
McCabe

Or

Gio/Brodie - elite first pair defencse
McCabe/Hamonic - try it and see
Kulak/Stone -they are adequate
Bartkowski

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I just like Hamilton's toolbox more than Brodie's and his potential to become good in his own zone is better too.

On handedness, while the Flames have a lot of RHD, that's because Treliving really worked at it. RHD are pretty hard to find in the league. Plus, Valimaki and Kylington are LHD. Valimaki is really close to being NHL ready IMO. I suppose that handedness and age are reasons why Buffalo would insist on Hamilton, but I still think Hamilton will be a top Dman in the league for a lot of years. The Flames would arguably be giving up the best player in the deal, which = losing the deal.

Arguably? Hamilton as a young defensemen puts up more points annually than Kane. It would be one of the worst trades in recent NHL history.

[Cappy]

If Calgary makes a run at Kane, they aren't totally upending the team a la Phaneuf trade. It would be Kane for prospects.

Calgary could perhaps offer quantity over quality - three lower tier guys and see what happens. Poirier/Klimchuk and a younger/raw-er prospect (Phillips?) could be a decent gamble for the Flames to make a push.

(Don't shoot me for the specific prospects, just suggesting a type of deal that the Flames could offer)

[Love]

I'm trading Brodie before Dougie just because of Valimaki and even Kylington otw. Don't see us being able to replace Dougie

[868904]

Originally Posted by Love

I'm trading Brodie before Dougie just because of Valimaki and even Kylington otw. Don't see us being able to replace Dougie

You have Andersson and Fox as RH defensemen coming up.

The depth chart is this:

LD - Gio, Brodie, Kulak, Kylington, Valimaki
RD- Hamilton, Hamonic, Stone, Andersson, Fox

Brodie can move to the right side too. I think the Flames have more depth on the right side and can afford to move Hamilton. I've never seen Hamilton dominate a game, I have seen Brodie do that when he is at his best. I question all this talk about Hamilton's upside, I see the tools, but not the head to be an elite guy. He is in his 6th season and he make mistakes and bad defensive reads that a peewee player does. The hockey IQ just isn't there with Hamilton.

[N-E-B]

Hamilton's deficiencies are greatly overblown. Trading him would be a mistake, especially if all we get in return is Evander Kane.

[Clever_Iggy]

This thread is madness.

[Flames_F.T.W]

The Flames LOVE Dougie and Burke has been on record saying as much. I don't think they trade him for a package involving Evander Kane.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Hamilton's deficiencies are greatly overblown. Trading him would be a mistake, especially if all we get in return is Evander Kane.

and on top of this, we're not going to subtract from the NHL-level depth that Treliving just built over the summer. That's not how "plans" work.

If Kane is coming in, I believe it will have to be a package including some of Fox/Andersson/Kylington/etc.

[Machiavelli]

Hamilton for Kane is a non-starter. I have much confidence that the Flames wouldn't make such a boneheaded move

[Tron_fdc]

Based on Treliving's past trades, do people really think he would send Hamilton for Kane? That's Spaceballs Ludicrous.

Guy is a wizard, I would expect something in the Kylington+ future considerations range for a pending 2018 UFA who (IMO) is a poor locker room influence and (IMO) a total penis bag.

[ForeverFlameFan]

EDIT: ^ Lol at penis bag

There are a lot of crazy people here when it comes to trading.

Just stick to NHL18

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

A Feaster man, are you?

Feaster Famine as has been coined already.

[Jacks]

A trade centred around Dougie Hamilton for Evander Kane is not going to happen, what the hell are you people thinking?
Freddy Hamilton, sure. Patrick Kane, sure.

[Roof-Daddy]

The Flames won't likely be looking to make a player for player deal IMO.

They will want to add the roster without taking from it, which would mean even more futures being expended. I don't see that happening either without an extension in place when it comes to Kane.

Off ice issues aside, Evander Kane is exactly the type of player our management would probably like to add to the forward group. It'd be like adding a better version of Ferland on the ice.

[CsInMyBlood]

Do not want.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

The Flames won't likely be looking to make a player for player deal IMO.

They will want to add the roster without taking from it, which would mean even more futures being expended. I don't see that happening either without an extension in place when it comes to Kane.

Off ice issues aside, Evander Kane is exactly the type of player our management would probably like to add to the forward group. It'd be like adding a better version of Ferland on the ice.

If we could extend Kane as well (I’m not super interested in a big asset expenditure unless an extension is in the books), then think of what our forward group could be as early as next season:

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Tkachuk - Backlhnd - Frolik
Bennett - Jankowski - Kane
Mangiapane - Lazar - Hathaway

It’s beautiful!

[bubbsy]

so $6.5M for a guy we want playing on the 3rd line?

He's been a 30-40 point guy most of his career, while much of that likely included top 6 mins, and PP duty.

Imagine how quickly he falls from grace here if he's eating that much salary and contributing less than 40 points, which is a possible outcome.

at this point, why not let backlund walk, forget kane, and throw $10M+ to Tavares and really improve the roster to become contender caliber?