Why stop at guns, I think the USA should also ban all street drugs and introduce mandatory life sentences for drug possession. That'll definitely solve the problem
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Even Japan allows hunting rifles with small capacity clips, they probably came to the conclusion that if you need over 5 bullets to kill an animal you either suck at shooting or want to commit mass murder
A great law for law abiding citizens, a totally useless law when it comes to the underground weapons economy in Japan. You can buy whatever you want there too if you really want to.
Why stop at guns, I think the USA should also ban all street drugs and introduce mandatory life sentences for drug possession. That'll definitely solve the problem
Yep its not like having the pharma companies promoting the crap out of their opioid painkillers for any and everything, doctors prescribing OxyContin like M&M's made anything worse, there's no way making things easily available ever made more of them turn up in the wrong hands eh?
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A great law for law abiding citizens, a totally useless law when it comes to the underground weapons economy in Japan. You can buy whatever you want there too if you really want to.
my memory is hazy...
how many mass shootings have happened in Japan and when was the last one?
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A great law for law abiding citizens, a totally useless law when it comes to the underground weapons economy in Japan. You can buy whatever you want there too if you really want to.
Clearly a country like that must have many tens of thousands of gun related homicides a year, a completely unarmed population and criminals able to prey on them like wolves, 2 gun murders last year, oh the humanity with a population of 126 million, how can society survive that!!!
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Of course somewhere without a gun culture or history of personal gun ownership enshrined in their basic rights is going to have fewer gun deaths from less gun ownership. Being isolated on an island doesn't hurt either.
America is so far beyond just "banning guns" that it would never work. People on the internet seem to think it is so easy to solve a problem no politician could solve in the last 60 years.
Of course somewhere without a gun culture or history of personal gun ownership enshrined in their basic rights is going to have fewer gun deaths from less gun ownership. Being isolated on an island doesn't hurt either.
America is so far beyond just "banning guns" that it would never work. People on the internet seem to think it is so easy to solve a problem no politician could solve in the last 60 years.
how about every other western democracy then?
the US has 25x the number of gun homicides per capita than any other western democracy...
The US politicians didn't even have the guts to close GD loopholes wrt to background checks after Newtown...Loopholes!!
that's the shame of it...the NRA has a stranglehold on a bunch of mealy mouthed politicians afraid of losing funding or being the target of vicious Super Pac attacks...
I hope now that there is a God, so those ####ers will have to own up to the carnage they caused when they turned their backs while lining their pockets
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Of course somewhere without a gun culture or history of personal gun ownership enshrined in their basic rights is going to have fewer gun deaths from less gun ownership. Being isolated on an island doesn't hurt either.
America is so far beyond just "banning guns" that it would never work. People on the internet seem to think it is so easy to solve a problem no politician could solve in the last 60 years.
Must be Japans historic pacifist past that makes the difference then!
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the US has 25x the number of gun homicides per capita than any other western democracy...
The US politicians didn't even have the guts to close GD loopholes wrt to background checks after Newtown...Loopholes!!
that's the shame of it...
Sure that can address a minor part of it, but any crazy person who wants a gun can get it, regardless of background check levels or gun show loopholes, etc. Look no further than the Vegas massacre.
While I agree something needs to be done, screaming "GUN CONTROL" simplifies a ridiculously complex situation, again, in a country where guns are part of daily life and a basic right of citizens. Like I said, it is beyond complex and it is a situation that isn't as easy as "BOO NRA - BAN GUNS" like many make it out to be.
I'm sure there are plenty of cases where you could point to the loopholes (gun show, background check, resale) where there has been evil perpetrated. But I would just point to the trend of Van/Truck attacks lately and emphasize that evil will find a way to do evil, regardless of laws. We could institute rigorous background checks for Home Depot truck rentals, which may have prevented the NYC truck attack, but the guy would have found another way.
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So the guy was fleeing and one of the I'm sure many people decided he would try and stop the guy.
That's the thing with these people who say "well, if someone had a gun they would have stopped the shooter."
When someone busts into a room with an automatic weapon and starts firing everywhere I don't care who you are, you are going to get to cover and pray you don't get hit.
People like to think they are in a movie and if a mass shooting starts they will pull out their handgun and headshot the guy. In reality even if they have the guts to try and take the guy down they miss or he is wearing armour.
Sure that can address a minor part of it, but any crazy person who wants a gun can get it, regardless of background check levels or gun show loopholes, etc. Look no further than the Vegas massacre.
While I agree something needs to be done, screaming "GUN CONTROL" simplifies a ridiculously complex situation, again, in a country where guns are part of daily life and a basic right of citizens. Like I said, it is beyond complex and it is a situation that isn't as easy as "BOO NRA - BAN GUNS" like many make it out to be.
I'm sure there are plenty of cases where you could point to the loopholes (gun show, background check, resale) where there has been evil perpetrated. But I would just point to the trend of Van/Truck attacks lately and emphasize that evil will find a way to do evil, regardless of laws. We could institute rigorous background checks for Home Depot truck rentals, which may have prevented the NYC truck attack, but the guy would have found another way.
No one is saying Japan hasn't had incidents. It has. it has has mass killings with knives and trucks, sarin gas...banning guns makes it more difficult to have a mass killing. Yeah, you can't stop evil, but you can make it more difficult.
the issue is that 'common sense' controls are conflated with some crazy notion of a loss of liberty... the US does have controls. One can't own automatic weapons, grenades, rocket launchers for example...there doesn't seem to be an issue about that is there?
Assault weapons were banned once upon a time during the Clinton Administration and the sun still came up... now the gun manufacturers didn't make 500-1200$ for each weapon that was sold, but i didn't see anyone's Liberty adversely affected.
just wait for Silencers to be legalized for yet another revenue stream for the gun lobby...
but thoughts and prayers everyone, thoughts and prayers.
Sure that can address a minor part of it, but any crazy person who wants a gun can get it, regardless of background check levels or gun show loopholes, etc. Look no further than the Vegas massacre.
While I agree something needs to be done, screaming "GUN CONTROL" simplifies a ridiculously complex situation, again, in a country where guns are part of daily life and a basic right of citizens. Like I said, it is beyond complex and it is a situation that isn't as easy as "BOO NRA - BAN GUNS" like many make it out to be.
I'm sure there are plenty of cases where you could point to the loopholes (gun show, background check, resale) where there has been evil perpetrated. But I would just point to the trend of Van/Truck attacks lately and emphasize that evil will find a way to do evil, regardless of laws. We could institute rigorous background checks for Home Depot truck rentals, which may have prevented the NYC truck attack, but the guy would have found another way.
Sure that can address a minor part of it, but any crazy person who wants a gun can get it, regardless of background check levels or gun show loopholes, etc. Look no further than the Vegas massacre.
Maybe, just maybe the problem is plain ol accessibility of weapons, after all the Vegas guy was just a regular Joe buying 80+ guns over a 3 year period, who would have thought a regular Joe would turn crazy and shoot 600 people with legal guns?!
I'm not going to pretend I have the solution for such a complex issue, but I am pretty certain of one thing: doing nothing isn't working.
Gotta start somewhere.
Amazing part is people from both sides of the fence want change but yet nothing ever happens. The NRA must have some damning pics on more than a few senators. http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/politi...ies/index.html
Amazing part is people from both sides of the fence want change but yet nothing ever happens. The NRA must have some damning pics on more than a few senators. http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/politi...ies/index.html
nah, super pac attacks combined with vicious online stalking from the NRABots is typically enough to frighten many politicians on either side of the aisle into silence or make them "kick the can" down the road.... the vicious attacks on the parents of Newtown victims was particularly sickening and outrageous...
