Most people would like to live closer to the inner city if they could live in an SFH there. So what you are saying is that a person with the means to live in an SFH in the inner city does not cause sprawl and a person who only can afford an SFH in the burbs causes sprawl.
This is just economic prejudice.
If you choose to live in an SFH you are a cause of Sprawl. If you make a choice to live in a denser dwelling regardless of location you aren't.
I agree there is an economic underpinning. Houses in inner city neighborhoods are more expensive. "Prejudice"? Um no... not any more prejudice than all the folks driving nicer cars than I have...
there is a choice people are making, and that the developers have been providing: Spending 400 K for a two bedroom condo in the core or spend that same 400 K and own a lot in the burbs.
For young families who can't afford 700k - 900K for a townhouse or house in the inner city, I get why you would make that choice. But its still a choice...plenty of people in denser cities live and raise families in condos just fine...and if they choose to move out to the burbs, that's their choice
YOU are saying people living in inner city neighborhoods were the cause of urban sprawl. I said that was laughable...
I agree there is an economic underpinning. Houses in inner city neighborhoods are more expensive. "Prejudice"? Um no... not any more prejudice than all the folks driving nicer cars than I have...
there is a choice people are making, and that the developers have been providing: Spending 400 K for a two bedroom condo in the core or spend that same 400 K and own a lot in the burbs.
For young families who can't afford 700k - 900K for a townhouse or house in the inner city, I get why you would make that choice. But its still a choice...plenty of people in denser cities live and raise families in condos just fine...and if they choose to move out to the burbs, that's their choice
YOU are saying people living in inner city neighborhoods were the cause of urban sprawl. I said that was laughable...
YOU are not reading what HE is saying.
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Farrell didn't plan anything. Her original idea was to just shut down Memorial Drive every Sunday throughout the summer. And she offered so little justification for it that one was left believing that the goal was basically to extend a giant middle finger to commuters who use the road and, by extension, local residents - her own constituents. When she found that public reaction was so negative she pared it back to just one day. But she never had a plan or idea of what to do. She just wanted to power trip her way into closing down a major road.
I'll give the organizers of the Bow River Flow a small amount of credit, as they tried to make something useful out of that turd of an idea, but the festival was doomed from the start because Farrell's short-sighted idiocy had already poisoned the city against anything that might have been done.
But again, had it not been made do public in the days beforehand, the extra traffic from "curious" people wouldn't happened, traffic would have moved fine, and organizers could have reviewed the idea afterwards, and made tweaks (I.e. Using a different road the next time). Even if it was a bad idea, it would have been a bad idea that affected almost no one, and no one would have ever spoken another word about it.
I don't get the hate for this event when far more marathons shut down far more roads, and there's no Druh hate for that - at least from what I have (or haven't) seen. I think the fact that she's associated with the event is why some people choose to #### all over it. And her. Other politicians have done far worse than this idea.
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I agree there is an economic underpinning. Houses in inner city neighborhoods are more expensive. "Prejudice"? Um no... not any more prejudice than all the folks driving nicer cars than I have...
there is a choice people are making, and that the developers have been providing: Spending 400 K for a two bedroom condo in the core or spend that same 400 K and own a lot in the burbs.
For young families who can't afford 700k - 900K for a townhouse or house in the inner city, I get why you would make that choice. But its still a choice...plenty of people in denser cities live and raise families in condos just fine...and if they choose to move out to the burbs, that's their choice
YOU are saying people living in inner city neighborhoods were the cause of urban sprawl. I said that was laughable...
You obviously aren't reading what I am saying as you keep trying to compare SFH to Condos. And I certainly concede that anyone who chooses to live in a Condo is not contributing to sprawl.
I am saying that the amount of land you occupy is your contribution to sprawl regardless of where that land is located.
No comment on their logo yet?? Thought it was pretty funny. So are they fans of the blue ring or is that the epitome of their message; Save Calgary from this monstrosity!
Farrell didn't plan anything. Her original idea was to just shut down Memorial Drive every Sunday throughout the summer. And she offered so little justification for it that one was left believing that the goal was basically to extend a giant middle finger to commuters who use the road and, by extension, local residents - her own constituents. When she found that public reaction was so negative she pared it back to just one day. But she never had a plan or idea of what to do. She just wanted to power trip her way into closing down a major road.
I'll give the organizers of the Bow River Flow a small amount of credit, as they tried to make something useful out of that turd of an idea, but the festival was doomed from the start because Farrell's short-sighted idiocy had already poisoned the city against anything that might have been done.
Basically anybody that's used Memorial drive as a daily means to cross the city has an axe to grind with Farrell and that's a lot of people.
I'm not all-in on Druh and always open to voting for someone else, but an anonymous group seemingly from outside my ward trying to tell me how to vote really pisses me off and if anything makes me want to vote for her just to spite them. It's someone wanting me to vote for their interests over my own without saying who they are or what their interests are. In the end I'll vote as I always do based on vision and ability, but campaigns like this are probably pretty counterproductive overall.
But again, had it not been made do public in the days beforehand, the extra traffic from "curious" people wouldn't happened, traffic would have moved fine, and organizers could have reviewed the idea afterwards, and made tweaks (I.e. Using a different road the next time). Even if it was a bad idea, it would have been a bad idea that affected almost no one, and no one would have ever spoken another word about it.
You clearly never take Memorial Drive if you don't think shutting down half of it "affects almost no one", even on a Sunday. Also, it's a bit backwards to be blaming "curious" people for coming down... unless the goal of that hastily assembled festival was to keep people away.
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I don't get the hate for this event when far more marathons shut down far more roads, and there's no Druh hate for that - at least from what I have (or haven't) seen. I think the fact that she's associated with the event is why some people choose to #### all over it. And her. Other politicians have done far worse than this idea.
Again, the hate for the festival came from the fact that Druh's proposal was "lets just close Memorial on Sundays and see what happens." The festival would have had a much greater chance of acceptance if it had actually been the purpose for the shut down and was actually planned as such, rather than being hastily assembled by an outside group as a post-hoc attempt at justifying the action. Since it came about only after public reaction to Druh's desire to close roads for no reason, the public was already poisoned against it. So, yeah, it failed because of an association with Druh Farrell. The fault for that lies entirely on her shoulders.
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Many live in 50 ft lots, oppose basement suites, and try to restrict height on developments. In many cases the people residing in SFHs in the inner city are a larger contributor to sprawl then us yop gobblers.
The location of where you live does not define your contribution to sprawl. The amount of land you occupy does. So a Condo dweller anywhere in the city has a lower impact on sprawl than anyone who Ives in an SFH.
And Druh is a strong promoter of urban density, secondary suites, affordable housing and better new community development on the edge.
Part of the reason some people dislike her in Ward 7 is she does push hard for intensification. But she also pushes developers to try and do better, design better and provide more public benefit.
She's strong in her opinion, which sure rubs some people the wrong way, but in my view we'd have been worse off as a city and as a ward if she hadn't come along.
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I don't get the hate for this event when far more marathons shut down far more roads, and there's no Druh hate for that - at least from what I have (or haven't) seen. I think the fact that she's associated with the event is why some people choose to #### all over it. And her. Other politicians have done far worse than this idea.
I don't think people mind road closures for events and festivals. It's a sacrifice made to live in a city with engaging events and activities to attend. People are opposed to road closures for the sake of road closures, which is what this was. It was about shutting down a major road for the symbolism of it all, which is why suggestions beforehand of moving it to a road that would cause less traffic disruption was a no-go from Farrell and her Arusha Centre friends.
The point wasn't simply to have a space for a festival, it was to close that specific space and then see if they could invent a festival. I attended the festival that first year on foot and saw basically what amounted to City of Calgary information booths on bike pathways etc. and a handful of people hanging out closer to the immediately adjacent river pathway. It was a complete sham. I expect people who actually are part of the government to be able to separate the activism element and work towards practical workable solutions. Her's was not a shining example of this.
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If a secret money'd campaign is actively attempting to turn public opinion against a candidate I would be inclined to think that Candidate has done an exceptional job in their role up to this point and are being targeted specifically because of their effectiveness.
Where is the secret money campaign to dislodge Sean Chu from office?
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On "sprawl" it's important to realize that it has much less to do with just density than true integration (or lack thereof) of uses and mobility systems.
The urban designer - Peter Calthorpe in this recent TED talk talks brilliantly about this point. Super high density "sprawl" in China. It's its design characteristics (similar to use segregated auto-dependent North American suburbs) that make it isolating, not density.
There are dense and less dense inner communities - but generally they are still compact, integrated, and not auto-dependent.
I hired Calthorpe to do his first major Canadian project in SW Calgary. It'll be a compact, mixed use new community on the edge. Sprawl is a design decision, not a location - and density is not its primary factor.
This may not count as a ringing endorsement, but I met Jyoti awhile back as she was part of a group giving consultation to the city regarding the golf course sale.
A very pragmatic and forward-thinking woman. Has had my vote for awhile, and is literally the only candidate in Ward 3 not trying to ride the coattails of suburbanite anger about the course decision to victory.
Yes. Jyoti is superb. She gained a strong reputation on Calgary Planning Commission. Always asked the most thoughtful questions and took smart positions on projects in front of them.
Maybe one of the best qualified Council candidates in a long while.
Above all for me she's extremely practical (and pragmatic as you said - I fully agree).
I'll just say it - I think she could (and probably should) be a future Mayor.
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Yes. Jyoti is superb. She gained a strong reputation on Calgary Planning Commission. Always asked the most thoughtful questions and took smart positions on projects in front of them.
Maybe one of the best qualified Council candidates in a long while.
Above all for me she's extremely practical (and pragmatic as you said - I fully agree).
I'll just say it - I think could (and probably should) be a future Mayor.
I'm worried that populist shills banging the "Dey Tuk Urrr Gurllf Currrse" drum (literally every other Ward 3 candidate) will make it tough for her. I don't know if her career trajectory is that high, but I will be voting for her to become a useful and thoughtful councilor.
I'm worried that populist shills banging the "Dey Tuk Urrr Gurllf Currrse" drum (literally every other Ward 3 candidate) will make it tough for her. I don't know if her career trajectory is that high, but I will be voting for her to become a useful and thoughtful councilor.
She came to my door last week. I'll be casting a vote for her this fall.
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And the uncontrolled expansion of a city outward is driven by ......
Population growth and a refusal to densify existing space (and creating transportation infrastructure to reach the burbs). But without densification all anti sprawl policies do is increase housing cost.
Does a person moving into the city have the same right to be in the city as a person who lived here since the 1940s. I say yes they do.
So we have a two options to fit these people into the city we can increase the density or we can build out.
So anyone opposing increases in density is a direct contributor to sprawl.
A person living in the inner city on a 50x150 lot is occupying 7500 soft of space. A person living on the "postage stamp" 35 x 100 lot in the burbs is taking up 3500 sqft of space. Therefore the person in the large lot has twice the contribution to the size of the city as the yon gobbler.
Everyone whether currently living in a home or new to the city can make a choice of where to live. For example if the person on the inner city lot moved to Auburn bay and allowed a developer to bulldoze and build a 4 plex. Their decision would actually reduce sprawl in the city.
Density is the measure of Sprawl. Part of taxation should be based on the sqft of land you own rather than just the value.
Where is this inner city you describe with all the 50' x 150' lots (other than Mount Royal)?
I was raised in Beltline which is full of high density apartments with a scattering of SFH.
I'm now in Bankview where the SFH have replaced by condos, duplexes, townhouses, infills (on 25' lots), etc.
In the neighboring communities - Rosscarack, Marda Loop, South Calgary, Altadore - it's much the same story.
Where is this inner city you describe with all the 50' x 150' lots (other than Mount Royal)?
I was raised in Beltline which is full of high density apartments with a scattering of SFH.
I'm now in Bankview where the SFH have replaced by condos, duplexes, townhouses, infills (on 25' lots), etc.
In the neighboring communities - Rosscarack, Marda Loop, South Calgary, Altadore - it's much the same story.
So again, what the heck are you talking about?
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There are a handful of truly inner city neighbourhoods that are cast in R-1 amber - Hounsfield Heights/Briar Hill, Mount Royal, Elboya, Rideau/Roxboro, Scarboro, Rosedale, St. Andrew's heights...It's mostly the super wealthy.
The likes of Beltline, Hillhurst, Sunnyside, Bridgeland, East Village, Inglewood, Erlton, Mission, Cliff Bungalow, Winston Heights, Capitol Hill, Sunalta, Chinatown, Killarney, Glengarry, Rosscarrock Banff Trail, West Hillhurst, Parkdale, Montgomery, Tuxedo, Renfrew, Bridgeland, Altadore, South Calgary, Currie, Mt. Pleasant, Windsor Park, Downtown West, Crescent Heights etc are all intensifying pretty rapidly now.
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Calgarians have the longest memory for the most petty stuff. Still complaining about a 2 hour road closure on a Sunday 5 years ago? Really? And lets not forget the Peace Bridge, they have bridges already! Why do we need another one! A blue ring that cost each Calgarian, like, 50 cents. I'm really looking forward to hearing about the Bowfort Towers for the next decade. Is this really the worst stuff that council has done? It's minor details, rounding errors in the budget. I blame Rick Bell and people like Corey Morgan. Let it go, man.
Fun fact:
We co-produced a fashion film for Mercado Libre, South America's version of Amazon, in Calgary last month.
Why did they come here? They saw a picture of the Peace Bridge...
Two months later they were here with 25 Cast & Crew for a week, pumping foreign dollars into the economy via the 30+ local crew we hired, hotels, rental cars, restaurants, props, locations...on and on and on...
