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Old 06-22-2017, 10:47 AM   #81
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With Engelland gone our only real deterrent left is Ferland and while tough he's not really a heavyweight either. hate to say it but that stink up north will beat us up and spit us out if we don't address this over the summer.

I hope Treliving can snag a player like Cody McLeod or Chris Stewart on the cheap before this season starts.
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Old 06-22-2017, 10:48 AM   #82
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Who the hell needs a tough guy when all guys understand what scrums are for.
You face wash me , I face wash you back .....me and everyone on my line.

We take your number and we all run your ass all game long. Teams that stick together like this win.
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Old 06-22-2017, 10:54 AM   #83
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Ugh, the last thing this team needs is a designated tough guy. We need players who can play hockey. I keep coming back to the Anaheim sweep. Did they sweep us because they had more tough guys? No. They swept us because they had line after line of depth and their bottom half of the roster absolutely murdered our bottom half. Adding "toughness" would just make that problem worse.
Wrong on both counts. The Ducks swept the Flames because the Flames goaltending collapsed at the worst possible time, and a number of players struggled with discipline and decision making. That series was the picture of experience overcoming youth, and had very little to do with a disparity in skill which was actually fairly even.
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Old 06-22-2017, 10:56 AM   #84
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In the playoffs? If they did, then I don't think this had a significant impact on the series. The Flames skated circles around the Ducks through most of those four games and were ultimately let down by a poor goaltending performance and a few instances of very poor decision-making. I disagree that the Ducks "pushed them around."
So we controlled the games by outskating them and should have won except they kept getting phony goals from the blueline etc. that any normal goalie would have stopped. Is that about it? Funny but even on some of those bad goals the Flames were hemmed in there own zone. It was tipped in by a guy standing in front of the net by himself. They played their usual game and the Flames played their's and yes ultimately their goaltending was superior. But they are still built to play a physical game and it worked in the playoffs for them yet again.

That is the Ducks style of play and the Kings employed the same style. The style works.

The Flames didn't just lay down like they have before against the physical Ducks but they still didn't have enough players who can play physically to counter their style. The mix isn't right and although the Flames can outskate teams they don't win enough board battles or create enough screens in front of the net. They generate a lot of chances from the perimeter. Ducks are pounding it from the point, bashing along the boards and then crashing the net.

I really dont get the argument that says who cares if we have a small weak team they can skate. They will just outskate them and that's all you need these days. Yet teams who do nothing of the sort are winning recent Cups.

Flames dont have the right mix and you can see Tre recognizes that with who he brought in. Too bad for him it didn't work with TB. But Stone certainly helped. They got a little closer this year and if TB would have worked out would have been even closer. But now DE and Stone gone and they weren't there even with them.
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Old 06-22-2017, 10:59 AM   #85
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Nail down a tough guy? I thought that was why Treliving acquired Smith.
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Old 06-22-2017, 11:00 AM   #86
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Who the hell needs a tough guy when all guys understand what scrums are for.
You face wash me , I face wash you back .....me and everyone on my line.

We take your number and we all run your ass all game long. Teams that stick together like this win.
I would love Johnny to give up his Lady Byng aspirations and break hands back if he is getting tapped. If players learn that he will bite back, they will lay off him a bit IMO.
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Old 06-22-2017, 11:04 AM   #87
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I might be wrong, but I think the OP was referring to guys who are big, tough and mean but can also actually play.
But he said guys like Cody McLeod or Chris Stewart. Those are not guys who can actually play very well, especially with regards to McLeod.

McLeod is a pure face punching enforcer/goon who cannot play a lick of NHL level hockey and Chris Stewart is nowhere near the player he used to be.

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Old 06-22-2017, 11:43 AM   #88
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I think people know my position on this kind of player. But if you really think we need someone gritty on the third pair, Kevan Miller is an upgrade as a hockey player on Deryk Engelland. Ryan Lomberg is probably already an upgrade on Lance Bouma and will drive opponents all kinds of nutty. That would mean one of:

Ferland
Tkachuk
Bennett
Lomberg
Miller
Giordano

on the ice at every moment. Miller is also a right hand defenseman who would look good with Brett Kulak. Toss Garnet Hathaway in there too for measure.

*shrug*. I would prefer having the skill of guys like Mangiapane and Cody Franson in these roles though.
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