Who Does Vegas Take From The Flames In The Expansion Draft?

[smiggy77]

I'm lean towards Hunter.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Why are people picking Emile Poirier? While I certainly hope the young man resolves his personal issues, but there's no guarantee he returns to professional hockey.

Cuz I forgot about that

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Other teams have better young players exposed. LV will take one of the vets from the Flames.

Yeah. The exposed Flames prospects are not NHL caliber players. I can't see Vegas taking any players from the Heat. They will easily find seven or eight better defensemen than Kulak for example. It's actually win-win for the Flames as any player they pick off the Flames roster is a contract they could do without anyway.

[getbak]

I voted for Shinkaruk because I thought he was waiver-exempt for next season. Now that I know he's not, I think I'd change my vote to Kulak.

The problem is that it really depends on who else is available from other teams, and what McPhee wants for his team. The best available player isn't necessarily the best fit if he has his choice of 15 other identical players from the other teams.

[sureLoss]

One interesting question is where exactly does Vegas slot in on the waiver priority list for next season?

According to the CBA, it is essentially supposed to be the reverse standings of the previous season until November 1. But obviously Vegas isn't part of the standings. AFAIK the NHL hasn't officially explained where Vegas would be.

I would assume they get first priority until November 1st. If that is the case it could play a role in selections because they could play the odds and hope a tweener falls to them via waivers and select someone else in the expansion draft.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah. The exposed Flames prospects are not NHL caliber players. I can't see Vegas taking any players from the Heat. They will easily find seven or eight better defensemen than Kulak for example. It's actually win-win for the Flames as any player they pick off the Flames roster is a contract they could do without anyway.

They don't really want to pick 7-8 defencemen better than Kulak though, they will want some prospects with potential, and can also add NHL players from free agency.

They certainly won't be taking 30 players who played solely in the NHL this season. My guess is that they likely take 2/3rds NHL Players, and 1/3rd prospects. Then fill in the rest of their NHL players from free agency/draft picks.

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

They don't really want to pick 7-8 defencemen better than Kulak though, they will want some prospects with potential, and can also add NHL players from free agency.

They certainly won't be taking 30 players who played solely in the NHL this season. My guess is that they likely take 2/3rds NHL Players, and 1/3rd prospects. Then fill in the rest of their NHL players from free agency/draft picks.

Also, I could see them taking 8-9 better defensemen than Kulak and trading 2 or 3 of them for picks in this draft.

If Vegas comes out of this draft with less than 5 picks in the first two rounds I'll be very surprised.

[Canada 02]

I think Brouwer will be protected and they make a side deal so Vegas doesn't pick Lazar

I think they select Kulak or sign one of the Flames pending UFAs like Stone during their signing window

[FurnaceFace]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

One interesting question is where exactly does Vegas slot in on the waiver priority list for next season?

According to the CBA, it is essentially supposed to be the reverse standings of the previous season until November 1. But obviously Vegas isn't part of the standings. AFAIK the NHL hasn't officially explained where Vegas would be.

I would assume they get first priority until November 1st. If that is the case it could play a role in selections because they could play the odds and hope a tweener falls to them via waivers and select someone else in the expansion draft.

I wonder if they place them third like they did with the draft lottery. There would be consistency there anyway.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

I think Brouwer will be protected and they make a side deal so Vegas doesn't pick Lazar

I think they select Kulak or sign one of the Flames pending UFAs like Stone during their signing window

Why??

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by Karl

Why??

contrary to fan opinion, the Flames like Brouwer

[Karl]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

contrary to fan opinion, the Flames like Brouwer

But do they like him enough to protect him....... Decisions, decisions...

[The Fonz]

Picked Shinkaruk, but it was really a toss up between he and Kulak.

I don't believe Vegas will do us the favor of taking Brouwer. They can find a guy with his intangibles and level of production from another team, at a much less rate/term.

[Ryan Coke]

I listened to that spot with Treliving this morning, and to me it sounded like he was saying the right thing based on IF Brouwer was still here next year, since that is still very likely. Even if he is planning to expose him, or even hoping he is picked, his public comments right now wouldn't reflect that.

If we still have him here next year, Treliving wants to keep the door open to having him as a valued piece that he believes will be better. He doesn't want to throw him under the bus with absolutely no upside.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

I listened to that spot with Treliving this morning, and to me it sounded like he was saying the right thing based on IF Brouwer was still here next year, since that is still very likely. Even if he is planning to expose him, or even hoping he is picked, his public comments right now wouldn't reflect that.

If we still have him here next year, Treliving wants to keep the door open to having him as a valued piece that he believes will be better. He doesn't want to throw him under the bus with absolutely no upside.

Correct.

Treliving isn't going to reveal his hand six weeks ahead of the actual event.

[killer_carlson]

No surprise BT talks up Brouwer.

Improves chatter about an asset to increase value so we don't have to pay as much to move him.

Or if the price is too high to move him, takes heat off from him in the offseason

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The trouble is, Versteeg is at the age where he has nowhere to go but down. Shinkaruk could be a stopgap top-6 forward right away, and if his development goes reasonably well, he could be a legitimate top-6 forward in a couple of years. Age matters, especially when you're building a team that is unlikely to contend for several years.

I wouldn't call that a stopgap, but that's getting into semantics

I do agree that they might see enough potential in Shinkaruk to make taking him worth their while.

But if they're going to take a veteran forward, I would think they care more about which guy they actually want, at which point negotiating with Versteeg makes sense.

Sure you can negotiate with UFA's on July 1st, but so can every other team. Problem is, unlike every other team Vegas absolutely has to sign some UFA's to get a reasonable top 6 together. Leaving it all after July 1st would be a huge risk for them, especially if at that point they don't have any other veterans they can point to as potential linemates.

Signing a couple of guys would make for a much better starting point. Granted Versteeg isn't exactly a huge name, but the sacrifice of not drafting Hunter Shinkaruk isn't that huge either.

[powderjunkie]

Vegas should take full advantage of retaining cap/salary on bigger money guys and trading them for assets. With a guy like Brouwer, I think you let him re-build his value for half of the season, then see what he's worth to other GM's at $2.25M.

There aren't too many other guys I see attractive for this sort of thing, but here's a few veteran players with just 1 year left on their deals who aren't locks to be protected:

Jack Johnson
Dan Hamhuis
Jonathan Ericsson (3 years - is it possible Detroit leaves Mike Green exposed as he's just 1 more year to UFA)?
Jussi Jokinen
Tomas Plekanec
Marc Methot (2 years)
Paul Martin (2 years)
Jason Garrison
Alex Edler (2 years)

St Louis has a few guys that could work, but they will probably have a pretty juicy exposed list (probably the same case for a few of these teams like SJ, Tampa, etc.)

I think a lot of teams are going to lose quality #4 d-men (If I'm Vegas, I draft minimum forwards and goalies) so they'll be keen to acquire a veteran D-man at half price.

[Love]

Shinkaruk. Them taking Brouwer is pipe dream.

Every teams fans think that Vegas is going to alleviate their cap problems by taking their anchor, but sadly it's probably not going to happen. Shinkaruk is a young asset that can probably fill in in the 3rd line for them next season and get ~25points.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

No surprise BT talks up Brouwer.

Improves chatter about an asset to increase value so we don't have to pay as much to move him.

I don't know if any GM will hear Treliving talking up Brouwer (or anyone else) on the radio and think anything other than what they already think. We're just a bunch of dorks on a message board and we can see through that.

Re: the other comments about Ferland being exposed, I really don't buy that at all. LV would definitely take him. He plays on the first line. Whether or not he deserves to be there is open to interpretation, but there he is. We're all bitter about how the season ended, but he was a first line player on a playoff team and he's definitely made a name for himself, even if he doesn't always live up to it.