What are your thoughts on Motion M103?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I didn't have to visit a "nazi" website, the second video just came up after the first on youtube. Had I waited there likely would have been more.

I would like to know why you assume the messenger is a racist instead of attacking the content of these "interesting" video's.

Hmmm, it seems, unlike you, I am the one out of the two of us who actually considered the content of the video.

Because the second video you posted is legitimately a white nationalist propaganda video, including chants of "Britain First". It's fascinating that you didn't mention the multiple times the white nationalists in the video are seen barricading Muslims from entering mosques, or chanting them down.

I assume you have some vague connection to white nationalism because you just blindly accept neo-nazi propaganda as something definitely true and worth sharing with everyone. You didn't bother to look at who posted it (and titled it, and created the narrative around it) so it's safe to say it just affirmed your already held beliefs.

You're allowed to think and believe whatever you'd like, but my assumptions on those beliefs are directly related to the content of the video, especially your interpretation of it and your source.

If youtube just "happened" to recommend a white nationalist propaganda video to you, or if you just "happened" to be watching a playlist including those videos... then yeah, it's a fair assumption.

EDIT: and to be clear, this isn't meant to dilute the content of the videos. People can watch them and believe what they want. But the videos clear connection to white nationalist movements is context that is essential to viewing. Sorry Godwin, but nobody is watching Nazi or ISIS propaganda videos and saying "Yeah but think of the content! Really saying something huh?" without considering the source.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Hmmm, it seems, unlike you, I am the one out of the two of us who actually considered the content of the video.

Because the second video you posted is legitimately a white nationalist propaganda video, including chants of "Britain First". It's fascinating that you didn't mention the multiple times the white nationalists in the video are seen barricading Muslims from entering mosques, or chanting them down.

It's called fighting back, if you think the brits wont respond to some of the antics the muslums are doing in London think again. I could post some real disturbing stuff happening there but I suspect you know about them. If you don't just search "muslims in London" to see the problems.

Assuming you're of Muslim faith could you answer a question?

Would you draw a funny cartoon of muhammad and take it to a mosque?

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Who's attacking people? this is the problem with Islam, instead of standing up to the idiots like the hateful crowds in London it gets swept under a rug, where is the peaceful side of the religion holding signs denouncing these idiots?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6765976.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7191306.html

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/natio...95607950519316

http://www.france24.com/en/20160620-...-police-murder

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b009377b249dea

http://www.calvin.edu/chimes/2016/04...t-in-dearborn/

etc. etc. etc.

Just admit it man, you get your news from a single source and never research elsewhere.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

It's called fighting back, if you think the brits wont respond to some of the antics the muslums are doing in London think again. I could post some real disturbing stuff happening there but I suspect you know about them. If you don't just search "muslims in London" to see the problems.

Assuming you're of Muslim faith could you answer a question?

Would you draw a funny cartoon of muhammad and take it to a mosque?

Oh, ok. So you think white nationalism is an appropriate and justified response to Islam? Fight fire with fire, is it? Because that is who you saw in the video. Not average Brits blockading mosques or chanting "Britain First."


If it talks like a duck and walks like a duck... it's a white nationalist. Or a duck, but in this case not a duck.


And no, I'm not of Muslim faith. I'm not even denying that there are incredibly dangerous and toxic things that exist in that religion or in are happening in the world due in part to the doctrines in it...
...but I'm perfectly happy calling out the equally toxic, hate filled and vile uprising of white nationalists and their supporters.

If you're condemning Islam and justifying white nationalism, you're either a fool or a budding nazi.

[Nage Waza]

I would be all over a motion banning anything that mentions the existence of an afterlife.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Who's attacking people? this is the problem with Islam, instead of standing up to the idiots like the hateful crowds in London it gets swept under a rug, where is the peaceful side of the religion holding signs denouncing these idiots?

Did you protest the mosque shooting and protest the more militant members of your political persuasion? Or are identities only for minorities and apologies for conduct by your peers only compelled when it happens by the others?

[llwhiteoutll]

The Liberals really hit a home run with this one.

On one hand, they are showing support for the Muslim community with very minimal effort and without having to make any significant commitments. Should be good for some votes next time around.

At the same time, they have a huge portion of the right frothing at the mouth and providing new sound bites and ammunition for ads seemingly every day. I think with the exception of Chong and Bernier, all the Conservative leadership hopefuls have said a fair amount of silly things that could come back to bite them.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

The Liberals really hit a home run with this one.

On one hand, they are showing support for the Muslim community with very minimal effort and without having to make any significant commitments. Should be good for some votes next time around.

At the same time, they have a huge portion of the right frothing at the mouth and providing new sound bites and ammunition for ads seemingly every day. I think with the exception of Chong and Bernier, all the Conservative leadership hopefuls have said a fair amount of silly things that could come back to bite them.

Yeah, because turning this stuff into political theatre that pits people against one another is a great way to motivate your base and rile up your opponents. With any luck, Canadian politicians will get as good at this stuff as American politicians and we'll have our very own Culture Warz.