Trade Proposal: Fleury for Elliott

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I certainly wouldn't feel too bad for Rutherford if he had to buyout Fleury. He had a chance to offload him to the Flames, but got greedy and wanted our 1st round pick. Now he may have to pay the price because of his lack of foresight which will cost his owner $8 million and 4 years of cap penalties. A wise decision would've been to beat the offer from the Elliott trade and send Fleury to the Flames and relieve himself of this mess. Now Fleury can just sit and wait for a buyout and find the best situation suitable to him in the summer and possibly earning more money on top of it all.

Was Fleury willing to waive his NMC in order to come here?

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Was Fleury willing to waive his NMC in order to come here?

Wouldn't have mattered, the price was set and the Flames weren't willing to pay that price as we wouldn't have Matthew Tkachuk right now if we did make the trade. I also don't see the logic in why Marc Andre Fleury wouldn't have waived his NMC to a competitive team that would've used him as a #1. He's a proud player whose been a starter his whole career and then lost his job to a rookie goaltender and then had to sit and watch Matt Murray lead his team to a Stanley Cup victory. I doubt a proud athlete like him would be interested in playing back up for a whole season as well.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Rutherford has already stated he will buy out Fleury if he can't move him. No worries about losing Murray

Doesn't that seal it, then?... wouldn't MAF simply wait for the buyout then sign where he wants as a UFA??? ...why would he waive his NMC now that Rutherford has tipped his hand??

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Doesn't that seal it, then?... wouldn't MAF simply wait for the buyout then sign where he wants as a UFA??? ...why would he waive his NMC now that Rutherford has tipped his hand??

Are we sure that buyouts are possible before the expansion draft?

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Rutherford has already stated he will buy out Fleury if he can't move him. No worries about losing Murray

My question is, doesn't Rutherford HAVE to say that?

If not, he's sure to get nothing back for a trade of an asset he HAS to move.

As well, what does the penalty for buyout look like on the Penguins cap? Aren't they a cap team? I would suspect having Fleury's penalty for the next 4 years causes them a ton of grief, especially if the cap turns out to be pretty flat?

Seems to me that they would rather take next to nothing for Fleury instead of taking on the penalty. I'm thinking that statement is just posturing by Rutherford.

[Poe969]

Maybe Rutherford is just playing the crowd to see the reactions. Maybe he's open to trading either goalie and is just waiting for the right package. Sure Fleury has stunk it up but he's also played well too. I remember Crosby saying thatlast season he was the only reason they made the playoffs and he was one of the first ones to get the cup when they won. So maybe Rutherford is just driving up the price for Murray...

If Murray was available (who knows, maybe ownership just won't approve a buyout or maybe he always has been available but let's just say he is), what do you think it would take and what would you give up for Murray?

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

Average goaltender for Average goaltender? I think I'll pass this deal wouldn't make sense for the Flames. Theres no point making any major trades this season. Even if the Flames make the playoffs there is no way in hell they are getting past the first round

What if the Oilers finish first in the Pacific and Flames get the first Wild Card? I'd take that first round match-up.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Wouldn't have mattered, the price was set and the Flames weren't willing to pay that price as we wouldn't have Matthew Tkachuk right now if we did make the trade. I also don't see the logic in why Marc Andre Fleury wouldn't have waived his NMC to a competitive team that would've used him as a #1. He's a proud player whose been a starter his whole career and then lost his job to a rookie goaltender and then had to sit and watch Matt Murray lead his team to a Stanley Cup victory. I doubt a proud athlete like him would be interested in playing back up for a whole season as well.

So when you say Rutherford had a chance to offload him to the Flames, what does it mean? Were the Flames interested?

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So when you say Rutherford had a chance to offload him to the Flames, what does it mean? Were the Flames interested?

Jim Rutherford was foolish to be so greedy. If he instead asked for our late second round pick instead I'm sure a deal could've been made. But he didn't evaluate the market as the Flames had lots of better options. If he does indeed have to buy out Fleury, it'll be one expensive mistake.

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.thesco...ws/1047221/amp

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Jim Rutherford was foolish to be so greedy. If he instead asked for our late second round pick instead I'm sure a deal could've been made. But he didn't evaluate the market as the Flames had lots of better options. If he does indeed have to buy out Fleury, it'll be one expensive mistake.

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.thesco...ws/1047221/amp

Forgotten about this story. If true, wonder if the talks were serious and if MAF was willing to come here.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Forgotten about this story. If true, wonder if the talks were serious and if MAF was willing to come here.

As a proud athlete, I doubt he's having fun playing as a backup to a rookie goaltender. I could imagine it being crushing to his ego actually. I think a lot of people underestimate the amount of pride a starting goaltender has. There's only 30 positions in the league and I guarantee he'd rather be a starter for a playoff hopeful team then the backup for a playoff contender.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Maybe Rutherford is just playing the crowd to see the reactions. Maybe he's open to trading either goalie and is just waiting for the right package. Sure Fleury has stunk it up but he's also played well too. I remember Crosby saying thatlast season he was the only reason they made the playoffs and he was one of the first ones to get the cup when they won. So maybe Rutherford is just driving up the price for Murray...

If Murray was available (who knows, maybe ownership just won't approve a buyout or maybe he always has been available but let's just say he is), what do you think it would take and what would you give up for Murray?

I would happily part with our 1st rnd pick for Murray. I want no part of MAF though.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

You guys are crazy. I'd do this straight up.

Prior to this year Fleury's been a .915 or better in four straight seasons. He's currently at .904... in 2010 he posted a .905, followed by seasons of .918, .913, .915, .916, .920, and .921. He's 32. What do you think is more likely, that he's as bad as he's been this season, or that he's as good as he's been in the previous six?

Sure, the guy isn't a top ten netminder in the NHL. But he's NHL average and can start a lot of games for you. That's worth 5.75 for two years. Frankly, the bigger issue is that if the Pens do this, they still have to go find a third goalie to expose in the expansion draft.