[PGT] Flames 2 Canucks 4

[ComixZone]

I don't think you bail on Elliott or Johnson this year. I think you bail on the "tandem" aspect of the relationship, and roll with Johnson unless he consistently shows he can't hack it. We spent all the assets we should spend on resolving the goalie problem for the 2016/2017 season (a 2nd round pick). I don't think it'd be wise to deal additional assets to address it this year.

Elliott showed last year in the playoffs he can get hot, so you hold onto him this year and hope he can put a stretch together, and hopefully you get lucky and can stagger Johnson/Elliott streaks.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Samiz

It's annoying, frustrating, and pissing me off that the Canucks have nearly the same record as Calgary

Honestly, it shows just how rubbish the Flames' puck luck has been this season.

The only two games I can think of where fortune was on their side was the Ottawa game at home and that Colorado game. They've truly had to work for the vast majority of their points earned.

It's worth noting that they've (amazingly) had zero late comeback games this season so far like the past two years.. not even one. I mean where they overcame a deficit for 2 or more in the final period. Can't pull even when chasing a team to save their lives and at least nab those OT points. The pucks just don't go in when they need them to, whereas these flukey lob shots and softies find their way in our net every odd game.

Canucks must be getting this Honda Centre-level juju on a regular basis to actually be within a couple points of the Flames considering how large the gap between the two is when you look at the empirical evidence shown in the actual games. It's beyond me how they're riding 6 straight when you look at the last two games between these two clubs.

You can only hope things even out, and the better team ends up where it should. I think this also applies to the Oilers, as I don't think they are as good as their position either. What a weird season this has been.

[bigrangy]

I can't even be mad about this one. Since 2007-2008, no single regular season game has been as lopsided as this one. The Flames were not sharp enough with their puck management, and Elliott let in at least one stinker, but they dominated this game from start to finish.

If they play half as good tomorrow as they did today they will still kill the Canucks.

[djsFlames]

If we had half of the puck luck of these stinkers, I'd reckon that we'd have at least 4 or 5 extra loser points instead of regulation losses.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I can't even be mad about this one. Since 2007-2008, no single regular season game has been as lopsided as this one. The Flames were not sharp enough with their puck management, and Elliott let in at least one stinker, but they dominated this game from start to finish.

If they play half as good tomorrow as they did today they will still kill the Canucks.

What? What about the time Scrivens made like 60 saves for the oilers?

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

What? What about the time Scrivens made like 60 saves for the oilers?

He's talking about fancy stats. No other game since fancy stats have been recorded has been as lopsided as this game.

[DoubleK]

Can't help that to feel like the Flames start to feel like the Canadian U20 team feels with a goalie who can't stop a beach ball backing them up.

Need a goalie who can mix in a save now and then.

This is bull####.

[CGY12]

"Everything they got was Grade A," Elliott said. "Just have to try to stay mentally in it. It's not easy, but if we play like we did tonight and limit a couple turnovers I think that'll be successful."

I don't exactly expect him to throw himself under the bus and I do agree with him that a couple bad turnovers resulted in goals/chances (Giordano), but it would nice to hear him step up and say he's got to be better and make a big save when the team needs it. The first 2 were weak IMO, 3 he got caught deep in his net, 4th he had no chance. I really hope Johnson takes the ball tomorrow and runs with it for the forseeable future.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by CGY12

"Everything they got was Grade A," Elliott said. "Just have to try to stay mentally in it. It's not easy, but if we play like we did tonight and limit a couple turnovers I think that'll be successful."

I don't exactly expect him to throw himself under the bus and I do agree with him that a couple bad turnovers resulted in goals/chances (Giordano), but it would nice to hear him step up and say he's got to be better and make a big save when the team needs it. The first 2 were weak IMO, 3 he got caught deep in his net, 4th he had no chance. I really hope Johnson takes the ball tomorrow and runs with it for the forseeable future.

A lot of deflections and puck luck, something the Flames had in Colorado, was how Gulitzan described the goals that the Nucks got. He didn't raise any alarms about the play of Elliott and again used the term puck luck.

I don't see Elliott as having a future with this team. His play has been at times too inconsistant for my liking and I hope that Gillies or whoever Tree gets will fill the #1 slot on the team next season.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Sometimes teams win games they don't deserve to.

Moving on.

[calgarywinning]

Well interested in a double back to back for these teams. Character team ready for a playoff chance will put the Nucks down tonight at the dome.

[GoJetsGo]

Just finished watching the game now via PVR and that was absolutely f***** farcical.

Flames dominate from start to finish. Roll pucks through the crease, hit four posts / cross bars, score short handed goals that don't count, Miller makes several saves on pucks he doesn't even see.

That Vancouver team is butter soft and absolute garbage.

Any one of their fair-weather fans who took any enjoyment in that fluke-circus should think ahead to June when they're going to watch their inept GM absolutely fumble a pick in the 8-10 range because of the dozen or so game like this they "won" this year. Will be very satisfying to see them once again miss out on blue-chip young players because of inept management / owners so they can keep spinning their wheels in this kind of mediocrity for the rest of this decade and then some.

Hopefully we pick up where we left off tonight tomorrow and hammer that bottom-feeding team.

Just a frustrating, embarrassing mess to watch that game tonight. Ugh.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by CGY12

"Everything they got was Grade A," Elliott said. "Just have to try to stay mentally in it. It's not easy, but if we play like we did tonight and limit a couple turnovers I think that'll be successful."

I don't exactly expect him to throw himself under the bus and I do agree with him that a couple bad turnovers resulted in goals/chances (Giordano), but it would nice to hear him step up and say he's got to be better and make a big save when the team needs it. The first 2 were weak IMO, 3 he got caught deep in his net, 4th he had no chance. I really hope Johnson takes the ball tomorrow and runs with it for the forseeable future.

I heard this interview, and didn't like it. Tonight is the night teammates need to hear a goalie say "I wasn't good enough tonight" regardless of how the team played.

I'm kind of done with this guy.

Something Derek Wills said on radio, how, good days or bad, Johnson speaks to media before and after game days. Always accountable. Same time Elliot isn't always so friendly, not so approachable.

Makes me wonder if this might be why this is his 4th? Organization? Maybe team mates don't love him so much.

The Flames might have played their most domminent game of the season, and the goalie, who stopped 9/13 was talking about turnovers? Seriously!!??

[Huntingwhale]

Sometimes goalies (Miller) stand on their head and steal games their team doesn't deserve to win. This is what Kipper did to other teams for years and now we are on the other end. Sucks, but that's life.

If Gaudreau scores to make it 2-0, it's a different game IMO. When Frolik made that pass to Backlund (?) for that backhand chance, he shot it directly at the goalie instead of going around. Monahan tried to go 5 hole and 9/10 that goes in, but Miller got lucky and his back skate stopped it. Flames had their chances to extend the lead but didn't cash in.

Miller stole the game plain and simple. Yes you want Elliott to make those saves. But 9/10 the Flames win a game like this. Domination for the most part, but goalies are the players who have the most influence on the game and Miller robbed us.

Play like this tomorrow, and it's a blowout for the Flames. The result sucks, but you can't ask for much more from the team in general.

And LOL at the trade Gio talk. Seriously.

[calgaryblood]

In the last two games against the Canucks, the Flames have a total of 82 shots. The Canucks have a total of 27 shots. It's pretty amazing they only had 14 shots last game as well.

I'm not a mathematician but being out shot 3-1 is not a recipe for success.

[prizefighterinferno]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Sometimes goalies (Miller) stand on their head and steal games their team doesn't deserve to win. This is what Kipper did to other teams for years and now we are on the other end. Sucks, but that's life.

If Gaudreau scores to make it 2-0, it's a different game IMO. When Frolik made that pass to Backlund (?) for that backhand chance, he shot it directly at the goalie instead of going around. Monahan tried to go 5 hole and 9/10 that goes in, but Miller got lucky and his back skate stopped it. Flames had their chances to extend the lead but didn't cash in.

If we're thinking of the same play while shorthanded, it was Engelland. Tried to go backhand like he did for a goal in St. Louis earlier this season, but sort of shovelled it into Miller by trying to get rid of it a little too quickly.

Speaking of Backlund though, he now leads the team in goals (12) and points (27). That whole line just continues to impress.

[Deelow]

Was refreshing not having Hrudey there to justify every crap goal Elliott let in.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I'm a little surprised nobody mentioned Gulutzan's questionable use of the coach's challenge. It was clearly goaltender interference, head contact included, along with an emphatic no goal call from the ref directly after it, yet he went ahead and burned the challenge along with any timeout that he may have needed.

It didn't cost them this game, but I thought it was a really poor decision at the time.




As for the game, I'm pretty sure they sacrificed a goat right before the start and also shoved a rabbit's foot up Miller's butt. That was the luckiest game for them that I've ever seen. Dare I say it? Unsustainable.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I'm a little surprised nobody mentioned Gulutzan's questionable use of the coach's challenge.

It didn't cost them this game, but I thought it was a really poor decision at the time.

I mentioned this in the GT and agree 100%. I suggested it sapped momentum which probably wasn't the right word but it did seem to swing the game.

[Erick Estrada]

Gaudreau has to hit that open net opportunity in the first period. $7 million players simply can't miss a wide open net in a division game. If that goes in the game likely ends in a laugher for the Flames. Elliott wasn't great but this is a game you pay Monahan and Gaudreau to be difference makers and it's just not happening enough this season which is why they are a middling team.