Drunk Sunwing Airlines pilot passes out in cockpit with 100 passengers on board

[undercoverbrother]

Do pilots, like long haul truckers, have to keep log books?


(cue captain's log jokes)

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Do pilots, like long haul truckers, have to keep log books?


(cue captain's log jokes)

If you mean do they have duty time limits then the answer is yes. But they don't keep day to day records or a log book similar to truckers.

https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviati...s-720-2153.htm

[Fuzz]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...036936?cmp=rss

I guess we weren't alone in noticing the short rest period. I get what Sunwing did, but it's scheduling like this that ruins people's vacations. Lets say the flight is delayed an hour, for whatever reason. Suddenly this guy will be over his hours, and the airline has to call in another pilot, delaying things further, then the passengers miss their connection.

[Ryan Coke]

So it looks like my expectations were incorrect and the pilot was working on his way inbound that night. I had considered the possibility of it being a split duty period, but those rules aren't used much in airline flying and based on what I knew about the work day after the nights rest didn't expect it to be used here.

However there are rules that relate to a continuous duty period (what appear to be in use in this incident), that depending on the length of work day, and how much rest is given, may allow an extension to the work day.

Either way, within very specific parameters those are legal, but it still doesn't change the problem of drinking the whole rest time and showing up hammered.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

If you mean do they have duty time limits then the answer is yes. But they don't keep day to day records or a log book similar to truckers.

https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviati...s-720-2153.htm

Pilots have a log book (or digital equivelent) in which they record takeoff and landing time and location, quick description of flight, and the number of hours flown. Not sure if it's required by tc, but licenses require a number of hours flown in order to avoid having to recertify, and a log book is what you use to prove you have the hours.

[Wedge]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Do pilots, like long haul truckers, have to keep log books?


(cue captain's log jokes)

The only joke I could ever remember ...

What did Spock find in the Enterprise's washroom?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Do pilots, like long haul truckers, have to keep log books?


(cue captain's log jokes)

An hours of service log and the technical log, I believe truck drivers have to show even where the stop for coffee..etc.


For instance a commercial fixed wing pilot can fly 60 hours/week and 150 hours/month, most of the longer flight pilots use a 210 hour/42 day schedule. HOS can be reset with 5 consecutive days off.

Helicopter pilots are even more restricted and can only fly 120 hours/month.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

An hours of service log and the technical log, I believe truck drivers have to show even where the stop for coffee..etc.


For instance a commercial fixed wing pilot can fly 60 hours/week and 150 hours/month, most of the longer flight pilots use a 210 hour/42 day schedule. HOS can be reset with 5 consecutive days off.

Helicopter pilots are even more restricted and can only fly 120 hours/month.

Unless things have changed drastically in the last 5 years, you only need to show when you are on and off duty. Certain things don't necessarily take you off duty but you don't need to show stops and such... At least you didn't at my previous job.

[JonDuke]

Kamil Karamali‏Verified account @KamilKaramali 6m6 minutes ago

BREAKING| Miroslav Gronych sentenced to 8 months in jail, prohibited from operating aircraft for one year. @CTVCalgary

[calgaryblood]

8 months? This country's court system is a joke.

And only a 1 year aircraft ban....what a joke.

[lambeburger]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

8 months? This country's court system is a joke.

And only a 1 year aircraft ban....what a joke.

Don't worry, this guy won't be flying planes for a living ever again.

[CaptainCrunch]

The aircraft ban is irrelevant.

The only way that he'll be flying again is if he's flying a cargo plane filled with rubber dog #### into China.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by lambeburger

Don't worry, this guy won't be flying planes for a living ever again.

I saw Air America.

[Lubicon]

I believe he also a foreign national so suspect he will be deported (?) and prohibited from returning to Canada again as a pilot.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by lambeburger

Don't worry, this guy won't be flying planes for a living ever again.

Maybe not in North America, but I can see another low cost airline hiring him overseas.

[Chingas]

I understand that the potential casualties are much higher in this case, but can a person get sentanced to jail time for attempting to drive their car home from the bar drunk but being pulled up by someone before actually doing it?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The aircraft ban is irrelevant.

The only way that he'll be flying again is if he's flying a cargo plane filled with rubber dog #### into China.

Lol, he's 737 certified, Spirit, Frontier or Southwest will ask for a drug and alcohol test and hire him within a week of his ban!

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Chingas

I understand that the potential casualties are much higher in this case, but can a person get sentanced to jail time for attempting to drive their car home from the bar drunk but being pulled up by someone before actually doing it?

Simple answer is no for now, so far potential hasn't caught up with political correctness but it will soon.

I come from a family full of aviators, three of which were/are airline pilots and dinner table talk said that what Mr. Gronych did wasn't really that uncommon as little as 20 years ago. 20 years ago he likely would have been sent back to his hotel room and reported as sick with the flu and unable to fly and be good to go the next day.

I have one uncle who flew in the 60's-70's admittedly said there were many times he shouldn't have been flying and wouldn't have if it wasn't for the second pilot in the cabin. scary!

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Chingas

I understand that the potential casualties are much higher in this case, but can a person get sentanced to jail time for attempting to drive their car home from the bar drunk but being pulled up by someone before actually doing it?

Yes, they can. If they enter the car and sit in the driver's seat with keys in hand, they can be charged with impaired driving. I think the wording of the law is "care and control" of the vehicle.

Years ago we had a friend charged. We had ditched him at the bar, he didn't have cab fare, his parents were out of town, and it was around -30 outside. He went into his car, started it, and went to sleep in the back seat. Police came up to his car around 4:30 in the morning and charged him. We had to go to court and testify that we had ditched him. We got a lecture from the judge, and he said that he could still be charged. The judge did let our friend off, as he was trying to do the most responsible thing under the circumstances.

[Fuzz]

I did something similar for my first BSD. Parked at the University, and my brother was no where to be found when it was sleep time. Driving back to Canmore was not an option. Crawled in my sleeping bag in the front seat, and I had it running for a few minutes to get some heat. Campus cops knocked on my window, because I guess my foot was on the brake turning the brake lights on, which caught their attention. Now, obviously I wasn't driving anywhere being in a sleeping bag, and they could see that, but they said they would have to call the police if I didn't remove the key from the ignition.