If the Flames are still in contention at the Trade Deadline...

[dino7c]

Well if Larsson is worth Hall Brodie is certainly worth more than Kadri FFS

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Well if Larsson is worth Hall Brodie is certainly worth more than Kadri FFS

The jump from Kadri to a 19 year old rookie is quite the jump. You guys are laughable.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

The jump from Kadri to a 19 year old rookie is quite the jump. You guys are laughable.

You do realize what fan base you represent here, do you not?

Wouldn't be calling anyone else "laughable" with the trade proposals thrown around in "Laughs Nation".

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

You do realize what fan base you represent here, do you not?

Wouldn't be calling anyone else "laughable" with the trade proposals thrown around in "Laughs Nation".

Every fanbase has people on the internet with ridiculous trade proposals. Leaf fans are no different than any sports team everywhere. I'm talking about the trade proposal of Marner for Brodie and the fact that many people seem to think this is a fair deal.

People think Kadri for Brodie is not fair I can understand, I don't agree, but at least it is debatable. Marner for Brodie is not debatable.

Wideman for a 2nd is pretty good too though. That could happen.

Oh yeah and people saying Brodie is so young. He is the same age as Kadri.

[Spinach]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Every fanbase has people on the internet with ridiculous trade proposals. Leaf fans are no different than any sports team everywhere. I'm talking about the trade proposal of Marner for Brodie and the fact that many people seem to think this is a fair deal.

People think Kadri for Brodie is not fair I can understand, I don't agree, but at least it is debatable. Marner for Brodie is not debatable.

Wideman for a 2nd is pretty good too though. That could happen.

Oh yeah and people saying Brodie is so young. He is the same age as Kadri.

Which "people" are saying Brodie is so young? Everyone except you?
Brodie is, however, just about to enter his prime since d-men don't generally hit theirs until they're 27 or 28. But what would the leafs know about homegrown top-pairing blueliners? Before Rielly, you hadn't had one since Borje Salming.

Show us another fan base or media juggernaut that casts a franchise as Canada's Team (despite having done nothing to earn it since expansion). Show us a fan base more numerous or a media following more sensationalist. You're kidding yourself if you think leaf fans are no different from any others.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Every fanbase has people on the internet with ridiculous trade proposals. Leaf fans are no different than any sports team everywhere. I'm talking about the trade proposal of Marner for Brodie and the fact that many people seem to think this is a fair deal.

People think Kadri for Brodie is not fair I can understand, I don't agree, but at least it is debatable. Marner for Brodie is not debatable.

Wideman for a 2nd is pretty good too though. That could happen.

Oh yeah and people saying Brodie is so young. He is the same age as Kadri.

Ummm dude...

The ridiculous trade proposal was Kadri for Brodie. And in case you've forgotten, YOU defended it.

After shooting it down (and laughing), Marner was proposed as a more fair value for Brodie than Kadri is. You know, for illustration purposes.

No one was starting a Brodie for Marner rumour. Just offering perspective.

All you have done is show that you too are just another ridiculous Leaf homer.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Oh yeah and people saying Brodie is so young. He is the same age as Kadri.

That's kind of a sticking point. Kadri is finally having a decent year after nothing but a massive build up of how great he was going to be. As it turns out, he's a Mikael Backlund level player, so a #2-3 level center. Can play on the second line, but probably helps the team the best on the third line.

Having said that, Brodie is a defenseman who plays on your top pair. Even in a year where he's struggling he's still a guy that you want on that top pair. His skill set is such that he makes your best players that much better with his ability to move the puck. Players like that don't come cheap.

Let's put this in perspective. Adam Larsson just cost the Oilers Taylor Hall. The Oilers were, like the Leafs are right now, desperate for a guy that could play on the top pair. That cost them their best proven player. Obviously McDavid was off the table, so similarly that means Matthews is off the table for the Leafs. So, it boils down to, what do you have on your team that is similar in value to Taylor Hall? Because that is the starting point. Brodie is a much better player than Larsson, so I would say there is a premium to add on that end. So what do you have that is Taylor Hall+? Nazim Kadri? Not even in the same universe. So what do you have?

I think that ends this discussion. Buh-bye now.

[flamesforcup]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Every fanbase has people on the internet with ridiculous trade proposals. Leaf fans are no different than any sports team everywhere. I'm talking about the trade proposal of Marner for Brodie and the fact that many people seem to think this is a fair deal.

People think Kadri for Brodie is not fair I can understand, I don't agree, but at least it is debatable. Marner for Brodie is not debatable.

Wideman for a 2nd is pretty good too though. That could happen.

Oh yeah and people saying Brodie is so young. He is the same age as Kadri.

What makes Marner worth more than Brodie? Thats ridiculous. I wouldn't even trade Hamilton for him. Stop listening to the Leafs hype machine. They are the team in the best position according to Leafs fans.

[Strange Brew]

Flames trading one of their top 3 defensemen leaves a gaping hole unless it is for a different type of defenseman. This teams still missing a top 4 four dman. Only realistic way of getting one is by trading picks or prospects. Otherwise need to stay patient and hope a prospect make their way into the lineup next year and continue developing.

[Badgers Nose]

They need a top line RW. I think the D is fine and it would be crazy to add a Goalie unless a team loses their marbles and gives up a good one for dirt cheap.

Maybe trade one of the D starlets in Stockton and a pick for a #1 RW with contract under 30 y/o. Pretty please Santa!

Johnny - Money - Okposo

Would Kylington, Bouma and a 2nd get that done?

I think you will have to pay to get a true 1RW, $6 million until he is 35 seems fair considering what Flames pay Brouwer and Frolick.

They probably should have just signed him instead of the Chaisson and Brouwer experiment. I like Brouwer, but you don't really need a guy like that until you a steady playoff team - post-season is when he seems to really earn his contract.

[JiriHrdina]

That assumes Okposo had even an once of interest in signing here

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

They need a top line RW. I think the D is fine and it would be crazy to add a Goalie unless a team loses their marbles and gives up a good one for dirt cheap.

Maybe trade one of the D starlets in Stockton and a pick for a #1 RW with contract under 30 y/o. Pretty please Santa!

Johnny - Money - Okposo

Would Kylington, Bouma and a 2nd get that done?

I think you will have to pay to get a true 1RW, $6 million until he is 35 seems fair considering what Flames pay Brouwer and Frolick.

They probably should have just signed him instead of the Chaisson and Brouwer experiment. I like Brouwer, but you don't really need a guy like that until you a steady playoff team - post-season is when he seems to really earn his contract.

That offer is not landing Okposo, the Sabres just inked him and he has been lights out for them. The only player on RW that is young with term that might be available for picks/prospects that I can think of is Skinner in Carolina because the Canes are obviously still in a spot of rebuild with a long ways to go. I think it would take more than what you offered for Okposo though. Change Bouma to Poirier and maybe they listen.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That offer is not landing Okposo, the Sabres just inked him and he has been lights out for them. The only player on RW that is young with term that might be available for picks/prospects that I can think of is Skinner in Carolina because the Canes are obviously still in a spot of rebuild with a long ways to go. I think it would take more than what you offered for Okposo though. Change Bouma to Poirier and maybe they listen.

Skinner is part of their answer in Carolina, or is likely viewed that way. I think they would want a young NHL player coming back.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Every fanbase has people on the internet with ridiculous trade proposals. Leaf fans are no different than any sports team everywhere.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That offer is not landing Okposo, the Sabres just inked him and he has been lights out for them. The only player on RW that is young with term that might be available for picks/prospects that I can think of is Skinner in Carolina because the Canes are obviously still in a spot of rebuild with a long ways to go. I think it would take more than what you offered for Okposo though. Change Bouma to Poirier and maybe they listen.

I love how you belittle his trade proposal and then you try to make it better by adding Poirier

They would literally laugh at both proposals and tell the Flames to save their quarter next time.

Poirier can't even look like a pro in the AHL and can't score in the AHL at 22. He's pretty much a bust at this point or reaching bust level real quickly.

He's not the guy to push any trade over the edge.

And then you say Skinner can be had for picks/prospects? Why? The chances of those picks turning into a Skinner is almost slim to none. Skinner is part of the solution in Carolina, not someone they want to trade away.

[jayswin]

As someone who rarely sees players play at any level besides the NHL (Which I assume is actually most Flams fans while many like to make proclamations about players at other levels because we all long to be seen as all knowing in sports), what was the deal with Poirier?

Like what made him seen as top prospect destined for a top six role on the big club? From my short time following his career simply through stories and stats with very little actual watching he's seemed like a fairly middling prospect destined for a cup of coffee in the NHL and some decent AHL success.

Did a lot of people see too much in him? Or did everyone just jump on the hype train of those that spoke highly? Did he have amazing top line potential (there were many, many fans claiming he'd be a top line right winger) and then busted completely?

It's weird cause when he was called up a couple years ago it's not even that he looked nervous/not ready, he literally didn't look like even the style of player that everyone was saying he was.

[Coach]

Poirier looked like a man against boys in Junior, particularly speed wise. He also had a great AHL showing as a 19 year old which isn't very common. He's still young, maybe he'll come along. But time is running out with Mangiapagne and Shinkaruk entering the system. Klimchu looks to be taking a step ahead of him too.

From listening to AHL coach comments, it seems like his stalling may have been a maturity issue. Junior came relatively easy and so the off ice stuff wasn't there.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Poirier looked like a man against boys in Junior, particularly speed wise. He also had a great AHL showing as a 19 year old which isn't very common. He's still young, maybe he'll come along. But time is running out with Mangiapagne and Shinkaruk entering the system. Klimchu looks to be taking a step ahead of him too.

From listening to AHL coach comments, it seems like his stalling may have been a maturity issue. Junior came relatively easy and so the off ice stuff wasn't there.

Ah, so it sounds like he's genuinely busting as opposed to fans/media seeing too much in him. Hopefully for our sake and his he can still make it in some capacity.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Ah, so it sounds like he's genuinely busting as opposed to fans/media seeing too much in him. Hopefully for our sake and his he can still make it in some capacity.

I think anytime a player goes around where he did it's a gamble either way. You might get a really good, top 6/4 type of guy, or you might get a nobody. And a lot of guys drafted in and around that range could be either of those things.

Unlike earlier or later in the draft, their odds seem to be close to 50/50, so I wouldn't say it's surprising Poirier might not make it.

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Brodie's "top pairing" reputation doesn't extend beyond this board. I'd be shocked if around the league he's thought of as anything more than a top 4 d nan who might have top D potential. He's number 3 on our depth chart right now, and dropped behind Russell and Wideman just two seasons ago when Gio got hurt. Brodie's reputation on this board is not translatable anywhere else.

You are drastically under valuing Kadri as well, he's a centre putting up good numbers on a bad team. Way too early to peg him as Backlund ceiling right now, he's a desirable asset in his own right.

Brodie was voted 15th best defenceman in the league on HF rankings poll.

So, yeah, his reputation as a top pairing D far extends this board.

Jesus freaking Christ.