In almost any scenario, I'm right there with you. I'm glad Joe Nieuwendyk didn't get his number retired for that reason. But when the arbitrator of your contract dispute is schmoozing with team management right before the hearing and the league president is sending the arbitrator letters in a bid to influence the hearing, that might be the one exception. The Flames, the NHL and John Ziegler were probably lucky this all happened at the tail end of the Alan Eagleson days, because someone like Bob Goodenow almost certainly would have gone after them hard on tampering charges.
Yeah, but he quit months after all that happened, no?
Losing to Anaheim in 14-15. I knew they weren't gonna beat the ducks but that season was just so much damn fun, I didn't want it to end. The. Corey perry of all people in that damn Honda Center. Just killer.
Ugh...I was at that game and earlier Corey Perry takes a dive and the entire crowd (plus some sound effects through the speaker system) goes insane. For him to net that (BS) game winner was painful.
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for me this is the one that broke me hard as a Flames fan.
Surprising, considering the winner of that series got the honour of being absolutely murdered by the goliath that was '95 Red Wings. The Sharks ended up losing four straight games by a combined score of 24-4. If they'd had a particularly good series, the Flames might have lost in five.
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Ditto. I remember watching the draft at the Pub at Springbank Arena and the volume was down. I didn't realize that the Oiler card was golden and just assumed that whomever was in #1 spot won the lottery. So when it was clear that the Oilers had won, it was a double shot in the gut.
Want to say the 2004 game 7 but that horrible moment was cancelled out by all the amazing moments which had preceded it.
The 94, 95 and 06 game 7 losses on home ice really stung as they were against inferior teams and the Flames had a great chance at the cup those seasons if they got over the first round hump.
The Iginla trade was also a very bad day. Not just because my favourite player was leaving but the entire situation was bungled and the trade return was pathetic.
And of course who can forget the Savard trade and the Flames spending the next decade trying to find a centre to play with Iginla.
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Surprising, considering the winner of that series got the honour of being absolutely murdered by the goliath that was '95 Red Wings. The Sharks ended up losing four straight games by a combined score of 24-4. If they'd had a particularly good series, the Flames might have lost in five.
The 95 Wings were not that great, they got swept by the Devils in the final.
I am still of the opinion the Flames win the 95 cup if they drafted Brodeur instead of Kidd or never traded Vernon.
Edit: The Flames likely also would have outscored the Sharks by a similar amount if they had even close to competent goaltending that series. In fact the Flames scored 25 goals in the first four games of that series.
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I am still of the opinion the Flames win the 95 cup if they drafted Brodeur instead of Kidd or never traded Vernon.
Edit: The Flames likely also would have outscored the Sharks by a similar amount if they had even close to competent goaltending that series. In fact the Flames scored 25 goals in the first four games of that series.
Kidd should never have started another game for he Flames after that series. Guy was too busy painting checkerboards on his pads or carving weird designs into his facial hair. Instead, the Flames went with him for another 2 seasons and tried to make him the face of the franchise.
2 trades I absolutely loved were Kidd to Carolina and Phaneuf to Toronto. Those were great days.
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'91. Blowing a 3-0 lead in Game 7 against the Oilers.
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It's one thing to lose big games when you're a Cinderella team. Another to lose them when you're the best team in the league. And it was the Oilers. Series against the Oilers were on a different plane of intensity and passion. Team was never the same after that, and didn't win another playoff series for 13 years.
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The 95 Wings were not that great, they got swept by the Devils in the final. I am still of the opinion the Flames win the 95 cup if they drafted Brodeur instead of Kidd or never traded Vernon.
"Not that great"? I love the mid-90's Red Wings, it's one of the most ridiculous assemblies of talent in the history of the league. They won the President's trophy that year by going 33-11-4, which wasn't a fluke considering they did it again the following year. They then proceeded to lose a total of one game in the first three rounds. Yes, they got swept by Martin Brodeur. Kidd is not Martin Brodeur. Almost no one has ever been Martin Brodeur, and that was Martin Brodeur on steroids - goes from a .902 save percentage in the regular season to .927 in the playoffs. It was also the dawn of the dead puck era, with the Devils playing a trap that held Detroit to under 19 shots per game. Basically, #### Jacques Lemaire.
The '95 Wings featured, at forward, a still-prime Steve Yzerman, an on-his-way to the Hall of Fame Dino Cicarelli, Ray Sheppard and his 30 goals in 43 games (remember this was a lockout year), the Draper / Maltby / McCarty line when they were actually young, not to mention a young Keith Primeau. On defense, they not only had the 25 year old version of Nick Lidstrom, but also God-mode Paul Coffey who scored 58 points in 45 games from the blue line. That tied him for 6th in the league, with Theo Fleury.
To reiterate, the Flames' best offensive threat had his output matched by the Wings' top scoring defenseman.
On top of all of that, their second line and pairing was the first instance of the red army unit of Slava Kozlov, Sergei Fedorov the year before his Hart season (50 points in 42 games), Slava Fetisov and Vladi Konstantinov, which would have been about 25 teams' first unit.
That team was ridiculous and straight up destroyed everyone until they got to Lemaire's Devils and his top-3-goalie-of-all-time on a hot streak along with his trap system that ruined the league for eight years. "Not that great"... they were the class of the NHL.
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"Not that great"? I love the mid-90's Red Wings, it's one of the most ridiculous assemblies of talent in the history of the league. They won the President's trophy that year by going 33-11-4, which wasn't a fluke considering they did it again the following year. They then proceeded to lose a total of one game in the first three rounds. Yes, they got swept by Martin Brodeur. Kidd is not Martin Brodeur. Almost no one has ever been Martin Brodeur, and that was Martin Brodeur on steroids - goes from a .902 save percentage in the regular season to .927 in the playoffs. It was also the dawn of the dead puck era, with the Devils playing a trap that held Detroit to under 19 shots per game. Basically, #### Jacques Lemaire.
The '95 Wings featured, at forward, a still-prime Steve Yzerman, an on-his-way to the Hall of Fame Dino Cicarelli, Ray Sheppard and his 30 goals in 43 games (remember this was a lockout year), the Draper / Maltby / McCarty line when they were actually young, not to mention a young Keith Primeau. On defense, they not only had the 25 year old version of Nick Lidstrom, but also God-mode Paul Coffey who scored 58 points in 45 games from the blue line. That tied him for 6th in the league, with Theo Fleury.
To reiterate, the Flames' best offensive threat had his output matched by the Wings' top scoring defenseman.
On top of all of that, their second line and pairing was the first instance of the red army unit of Slava Kozlov, Sergei Fedorov the year before his Hart season (50 points in 42 games), Slava Fetisov and Vladi Konstantinov, which would have been about 25 teams' first unit.
That team was ridiculous and straight up destroyed everyone until they got to Lemaire's Devils and his top-3-goalie-of-all-time on a hot streak along with his trap system that ruined the league for eight years. "Not that great"... they were the class of the NHL.
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Playing against god mode Scott Steven didn't help either. Getting swept was also the beginning of the end of Coffey in Detroit.
What an amazing series that was:
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I hated every minute of it, it was pure frustration. After watching what was basically hockey as an art form for three series (I don't remember watching the East at all), I got to watch the Lemaire trap, never having seen it implemented in quite so soul sucking a manner before. The Devils became more entertaining, although still defensively sound, during their second cup run in 2000.
EDIT: Now, the Wings / Hawks series, that was a series. Holy damn. It was probably the best Belfour had played, and even though he lost in five he was a man possessed.
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'91. Blowing a 3-0 lead in Game 7 against the Oilers.
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It's one thing to lose big games when you're a Cinderella team. Another to lose them when you're the best team in the league. And it was the Oilers. Series against the Oilers were on a different plane of intensity and passion. Team was never the same after that, and didn't win another playoff series for 13 years.
I was in the Dome when we blew that 3-0 lead. The Dome was as loud as i've ever heard it until Tikkanen skates over center ice and fires one at Vernon and the puck goes in between his legs. There was a collective gasp as the fans went quiet thinking here we go again!
Vernon had a habit back them of letting in bad goals at the most inopportune times. Flames lost all momentun and ended up losing the game in OT.
Besides some stuff already mentioned in this thread, I'll just mention the disappointment following the Jokinen trade in 2009.
That first game against the Flyers, the Flames looked like world beaters. I thought they would finally be that perennial elite contender I always wanted.
Then the season kind of imploded, partially because of injuries, and the Flames looked completely flat against the Hawks in the playoffs. Regehr was looking old, Cammalleri had checked out. Phaneuf wasn't the same player from the season prior.
You knew at that point that the Flames had peaked, and it was all downhill from there.
I'm just saying, everybody hurts... sooooometiiiiimes.
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"Not that great"? I love the mid-90's Red Wings, it's one of the most ridiculous assemblies of talent in the history of the league. They won the President's trophy that year by going 33-11-4, which wasn't a fluke considering they did it again the following year. They then proceeded to lose a total of one game in the first three rounds. Yes, they got swept by Martin Brodeur. Kidd is not Martin Brodeur. Almost no one has ever been Martin Brodeur, and that was Martin Brodeur on steroids - goes from a .902 save percentage in the regular season to .927 in the playoffs. It was also the dawn of the dead puck era, with the Devils playing a trap that held Detroit to under 19 shots per game. Basically, #### Jacques Lemaire.
The '95 Wings featured, at forward, a still-prime Steve Yzerman, an on-his-way to the Hall of Fame Dino Cicarelli, Ray Sheppard and his 30 goals in 43 games (remember this was a lockout year), the Draper / Maltby / McCarty line when they were actually young, not to mention a young Keith Primeau. On defense, they not only had the 25 year old version of Nick Lidstrom, but also God-mode Paul Coffey who scored 58 points in 45 games from the blue line. That tied him for 6th in the league, with Theo Fleury.
To reiterate, the Flames' best offensive threat had his output matched by the Wings' top scoring defenseman.
On top of all of that, their second line and pairing was the first instance of the red army unit of Slava Kozlov, Sergei Fedorov the year before his Hart season (50 points in 42 games), Slava Fetisov and Vladi Konstantinov, which would have been about 25 teams' first unit.
That team was ridiculous and straight up destroyed everyone until they got to Lemaire's Devils and his top-3-goalie-of-all-time on a hot streak along with his trap system that ruined the league for eight years. "Not that great"... they were the class of the NHL.
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A very well thought out response and you have almost convinced me. It is a little extreme to call them a "Goliath" however when they were swept in the final.
The Flames had a pretty good team that season too with Fleury, Niewendyk, Housley, Riechel and Otto. If a hypothetical Flames vs Wings series had a goal tending battle of Broduer vs Vernon or Vernon vs Osgood I am confident the Flames would have had a great chance at winning.
Edit: also, a Flames Wings series wouldn't have happened until the conference final. If the Flames beat the Sharks they would have played the Hawks in the 2nd round.
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