[PGT] Flames lose 4-1 to the Ducks, 24th straight loss in Anaheim

[wwkayaker]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

We outplayed them. Very strong possession, excellent pressure. Whats lacking is they can't make good enough offensive plays to generate higher quality scoring chances. Johnny is turning it over every other time he touches the puck.

Need to find a way to put the puck in the net, and once we do we are home free. Not sure why everything is always on the coach. Someone put up the stats previously of coaches who started off super slow and went on to do some pretty great things - Deboer and Johnston i think it was (they were in the cup final last year). I know time is dwindling but I liked the effort out there tonight. But once again, find a way to finish.

What are you drinking?

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

all of Wideman, Jokipakka and Grossmann have not played at an NHL level this season. Hard to get going when you only have 3 top 4 defenders, a #6, and a rookie that has been up and down all season (Kulak).

Look at the goals against.

1st - multiple shots, no clearing the puck = goal
2nd - tic tac toe passing play leaves the defenders going what happened.
3rd - goalie makes the first save, not the second one because Gaudreau did a poor job on the backcheck.
4th - replay of goal #2.

The Flames defense has been beyond horrible and that's due to not having any secondary depth.

Surely you are kidding, Gio and Brodie have been worse than anyone except Grossman.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I thought the dog dropping the puck at the start was cool. That is all

Missed that part.

Is the dog signed? Might inject some enthusiasm into the line up.

[kn]

I've been a fan since 1986 and it's the first time I can remember no longer caring and choosing not to watch back-to-back weekend games.

I guess I'll start caring once JG and SM start caring about more than just cashing ~$500k CDN every two weeks. And Glue Gun has got to go...

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Brutal schedule doesn't get any easier

For the Flames you don't need to add "brutal" to their schedule, it's redundant.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by pylon

Missed that part.

Is the dog signed? Might inject some enthusiasm into the line up.

Does that dog have truculence?

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Samiz

One of the Flames' strengths the past 2 seasons has been our smooth skating, puck moving defense but it feels like this new system disallows them to do anything

Essentially handicapping the team of its greatest strength. Most goals in the league by d-men last season. I guess GG didn't do his homework..

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by MattyC

You need to have a team system in place that can be relied upon to fall back on. But you also need to allow your best players some room to do what they do.

An example is the stretch pass. It looks like theyre not allowed to do it anymore or something. The system calls for breaking out as a unit, and that's fine, but when there's an opportunity for a 2 zone pass guys like Gio and Brodie have to have the green light to make it. A guy like Johnny has to have the green light to bust into the holes that he sees. Don't build your system around it, but let them utilize it. Tough to know what he's telling them about stuff like that though.

There are other problems though. I've never seen JG with so little compete for the puck in board battles. I think the cheap shots he takes are starting to get to him.

Johnny gets pushed down 2 or 3 times in a row and no one comes to defend him, I don't understand how we can be a team with out sticking up for our skilled "smaller" players. Then you have the refs turning a blind eye and not making any calls. Guess the league is still pissed about Wideman.

[Ullr]

Originally Posted by dino7c

come on now...name them

Canes

Oilers, Vancouver, Oilers again, Canes, LA (when they hadn't scored in 3 straight games) And that was a 5-0 loss to a cold team.

[Looch City]

I expect something big to happen before Christmas.

Coaching change, firings, trades. Something.

We are not the Oilers and the fans won't stand behind terrible hockey.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by icarus

Of the five games won so far, three of them have been against some pretty good teams in CHI, STL, and SJ. So this team can compete. Just so many errant passes, turnovers, missed nets. I'm tending to think it's either a symptom of not buying into a new system or the new system simply not being effective.

Two of those three wins against "good" teams was against their backup goalies. Teams have stopped taking us seriously. Being a good team is not about beating a good team every now and then. Being a good team is wining consistently despite playing good teams.

[Saint Troy]

No idea what Gulutzan sold Treliving system wise in his interview, but cripes is this garbage hockey...

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Johnny gets pushed down 2 or 3 times in a row and no one comes to defend him, I don't understand how we can be a team with out sticking up for our skilled "smaller" players. Then you have the refs turning a blind eye and not making any calls. Guess the league is still pissed about Wideman.

Johnny is playing like garbage. Thats on him

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by kn

I've been a fan since 1986 and it's the first time I can remember no longer caring and choosing not to watch back-to-back weekend games.

I guess I'll start caring once JG and SM start caring about more than just cashing ~$500k CDN every two weeks. And Glue Gun has got to go...

If this is your rock bottom as a Flames fan then one of the following two things must be true:
1. You haven't actually been a fan since 86
2. You are emotional right now and have likely stated what you just stated many times before.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Johnny gets pushed down 2 or 3 times in a row and no one comes to defend him, I don't understand how we can be a team with out sticking up for our skilled "smaller" players. Then you have the refs turning a blind eye and not making any calls. Guess the league is still pissed about Wideman.

Agreed. We're a pretty rotten team. No unity. No one stands up for each other. Gutless.

[wwkayaker]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

I expect something big to happen before Christmas.

Coaching change, firings, trades. Something.

We are not the Oilers and the fans won't stand behind terrible hockey.

I hope something happens too but I am skeptical that any major changes happen.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Johnny gets pushed down 2 or 3 times in a row and no one comes to defend him, I don't understand how we can be a team with out sticking up for our skilled "smaller" players. Then you have the refs turning a blind eye and not making any calls. Guess the league is still pissed about Wideman.

Maybe his team mates aren't feeling like he's giving his all?

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Johnny gets pushed down 2 or 3 times in a row and no one comes to defend him, I don't understand how we can be a team with out sticking up for our skilled "smaller" players. Then you have the refs turning a blind eye and not making any calls. Guess the league is still pissed about Wideman.

I noticed that too. That should have caused a storm on the ice. I've made my feelings about the coaching clear but where is the captain through all this?

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Really worried.

Last year I remember the Anaheim players were beaking the Flames about owning them at the Honda Center. If you ever needed billboard material, nothing better than a team that's consistently mocking you on the ice. Yet they come and have another listless performance. No balls.

I'm not impressed with the coaching, but also time to call the veteran leadership to the carpet. Sometimes leadership isn't just playing hard yourself, but setting an expectation wherein the guys are scared of you if they don't give it their all on their shift.

[JohnnyT]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Treliving, end of last season:
"You can't be 30th in special teams for a large majority of the season,"

Treliving, upon firing Bob Hartley:
"Our special teams, for a good portion of the year we were 30th in the league."
"Special teams, those are critical areas to have any type of success."


Calgary Flames special teams, 2016/17:

PP - 28th
PK - 29th

Also wanted to be a better possession team, we are currently bottom 10 in the league in Corsi%